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Using a cat to predict the weather
    #4495915 - 08/04/05 06:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Main Entry: spir?i?tu?al?i?ty
1 : something that in ecclesiastical law belongs to the church or to a cleric as such
2 : CLERGY
3 : sensitivity or attachment to religious values
4 : the quality or state of being spiritual




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Main Entry: phi?los?o?phy
1 a (1) : all learning exclusive of technical precepts and practical arts (2) : the sciences and liberal arts exclusive of medicine, law, and theology <a doctor of philosophy> (3) : the 4-year college course of a major seminary b (1) archaic : PHYSICAL SCIENCE (2) : ETHICS c : a discipline comprising as its core logic, aesthetics, ethics, metaphysics, and epistemology
2 a : pursuit of wisdom b : a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means c : an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs





Why is it relevant in any way that spiritual/philosophical concepts cannot be scientifically observed, tested, proven/disproven?

Saying that science can measure the validity of spiritual ideas is like saying you can predict the weather by sending your cat outside, then observing his reactions. Meowing? 30% chance of precipitation! Runs back inside? Issue a hurricane warning! Perhaps there will be a correlation, but not a definitive conclusion.

I appreciate all the ways science CAN test, measure, evaluate, and improve our lives. I am fascinated by neuroscience and Quantum Mechanics, among other branches of science. This appreciation does not extend to believing that science is an all-purpose tool.


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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
    #4495923 - 08/04/05 06:20 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Meow.....    :grin:

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30% chance of precipitation!





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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
    #4495943 - 08/04/05 06:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
    #4495944 - 08/04/05 06:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Cats are highly sensitive to pressure changes.  Therefore certain feline behaviors are indicative of weather patterns.

I doubt you could "use" a cat to predict the weather for the week, but I know for a fact my cat acts a certain way an hour or so before a storm front approaches.
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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4495950 - 08/04/05 06:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I know, that's why I said there may be a correlation between the weather and the cat's behavior.

There are probably many correlations between what we can measure scientifically and the mysteries of spirituality.

My point is one cannot draw a definite conclusion from either method of measurement.


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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
    #4495959 - 08/04/05 06:34 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I agree.


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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: Veritas]
    #4497049 - 08/04/05 11:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

science is not the only way of knowing
if it were, i wouldn't be able to get to work, taking the same path every day as i do, without hypothesis or t-test
i just know my way


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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4497212 - 08/05/05 12:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Science cannot measure or test spiritual ideas. This is why most of us who use science as our formost tester of information regard such things* as 'meaningless.'

*Things which are 'beyond the realm' of confirmation or refutation.


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Re: Using a cat to predict the weather [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4497781 - 08/05/05 01:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

seriously, when i ride the train to work, that's not science.
there's no hypothesis, no peer review, no statistical tests, no experiments, i just do it.

i know the way to work, and this is non-scientific knowledge.

i love science but i actually use it in less than 1% of my daily life.


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