OldWoodSpecter said:

On earth in general.

The problem with lack of food in some countreys is not that there is not enough food for everyone on earth, the problem is that some have more than they need and others don't have enough. If all resources were equaly distributed in the entire earth, all would have enough food watter, and their life would be satisfactionary.

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I agree with you here. This does not mean everyone should have exactally the same material life, but there is no reason some should suffer in starvation and ignorance.

OldWoodSpecter said:

let's discuss war...

What is your view on war? Is there anything honorable in fighting wars?
Why is personal murder forbiden in our society and murder in large groups alowed and even honored?

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looner2 said:

Human nature is driven by power, and hence groups, nations, tribes..etc are based on this fundamental tenant of our existence, and carry it out on a scale larger than the individual.

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OldWoodSpecter said:

being anti war means sitting home watching TV..
being pro-war means running around in rage killing people..

which one of these two actions is the emotional one? I'll give you a clue, on the battlefield, the heart pumps faster, that's the emotional action.

and as for utopian view? Well if all those who protest thought human society is an utopia they would stay home and not protest.
you are not making sense here. Anti-wark folks are the ones that complain a lot, which means their view of society is the complete oposite of utopia

understanding in war?
Well sure, I understand war. A guy decides that Jews are lesser people, and kills millions of them. If I didn't understand him, I'd almost judge him...

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Icelander said:

"there's really no reason for war among intelligent beings"

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looner2 said:

OldWoodSpecter said:

let's discuss war...

What is your view on war? Is there anything honorable in fighting wars?
Why is personal murder forbiden in our society and murder in large groups alowed and even honored?

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My view is that war is a necessary element of human interaction and will continue to be so till end of humanity. Human nature is driven by power, and hence groups, nations, tribes..etc are based on this fundamental tenant of our existence, and carry it out on a scale larger than the individual. Adapt to this reality or die. That has been the law of the land for thousands of years. Groups have been entirely annihilated from the face of the earth because they didn't have the vigor or strength to defeat their enemies.

There is honor in war. Whether or not the war is justifible in any sense of the word, to be able to be courageous enough to give your life for something that you may not live to see is the ultimate sacrifice. It requires courage, which is a pre-requisite for self-respect.

Murder in society and "murder" when pertaining to war are two entirely different things.


There we go. Obviously no one wants to get into the nitty gritty of war-peace-right-wrong argument, so I'll just answer your questions and go from there.

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mntlfngrs said:

OldWoodSpecter said:

being anti war means sitting home watching TV..
being pro-war means running around in rage killing people..

which one of these two actions is the emotional one? I'll give you a clue, on the battlefield, the heart pumps faster, that's the emotional action.

and as for utopian view? Well if all those who protest thought human society is an utopia they would stay home and not protest.
you are not making sense here. Anti-wark folks are the ones that complain a lot, which means their view of society is the complete oposite of utopia

understanding in war?
Well sure, I understand war. A guy decides that Jews are lesser people, and kills millions of them. If I didn't understand him, I'd almost judge him...

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the emotion comes in because they can't stomach it an get upset when confronted with it.

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mntlfngrs said:

Icelander said:

"there's really no reason for war among intelligent beings"

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It isn't the intelligent ones you need to worry about. You don't have a Utopian view that the whole work can be full of nothing but intelligent educated people do you? there will always be fundamentalists.

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mntlfngrs said:

Icelander said:

"there's really no reason for war among intelligent beings"

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It isn't the intelligent ones you need to worry about. You don't have a Utopian view that the whole work can be full of nothing but intelligent educated people do you? there will always be fundamentalists.

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Well no one knows what there will always be.  Maybe for war to wane we would have to see a lot more intelligence in humanity then we have today. 

No I'm not expecting war to go away anytime soon. Really war is no longer my business. I really have little interest in trying to change my fellow man. I have interest in changing how I live my life amounst those who choose to see conflict as an important part of life.

OldWoodSpecter said:

mntlfngrs said:

Icelander said:

"there's really no reason for war among intelligent beings"

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It isn't the intelligent ones you need to worry about. You don't have a Utopian view that the whole work can be full of nothing but intelligent educated people do you? there will always be fundamentalists.

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no, but intelligent people can take over and rule the stupid ones

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mntlfngrs said:

OldWoodSpecter said:

mntlfngrs said:

Icelander said:

"there's really no reason for war among intelligent beings"

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It isn't the intelligent ones you need to worry about. You don't have a Utopian view that the whole work can be full of nothing but intelligent educated people do you? there will always be fundamentalists.

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no, but intelligent people can take over and rule the stupid ones

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thant would be done via a war I guess.

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