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 sevendef
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#428283 - 10/17/01 08:26 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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this message is pretty much for anyone like me..
i really think it's bad to look to hallucinogens for answers
i remember growing up, my life felt empty and pointless until i discovered acid.. then i felt like i had stumbled upon the meaning of life, and i believed it for a long time..
now ive come to realize that it can really hurt you if you dont know what your doing.. you might wake up one day and realize you dont know who you are and that you cant function in the world because all you know is this strange trip-dreamworld..
dont get me wrong, i think tripping is great.. all in all it's a beautiful experience.. but please dont rely on it.. and stop relying on it if you are now.. you really have to build on yourself in reality and find out exactly who you are before you explore that world..
anyways i feel like ive finally woke up from that dream
ive realized that my whole way of thinking about life is wrong..
build on your relationships
enjoy all the luxuries in your life without guilt(its natural, dont worry)
talk with your family
find out what you love to do
i have to get my life on track
i am off drugs right now.. for a long time probably.
someday when i really feel better about my life i will experience it again in a whole new light..
anyways.. thats my advice
just for those lost souls like myself
you can't be perfect
dont be afraid to be human
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Re: advice [Re: sevendef]
#429697 - 10/18/01 06:40 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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good advice, i've been thinking the same thing recently, and have stopped devoting my life to tripping, and have found many things that are so much fun while sober to do, though I won't stop doing drugs if I can get them. i havent done any kind of drug for about 2 or more weeks now, and then another 2 weeks b4 that, etc, and it looks like i wont for a while now. tripping is always fun, but after stopping smoking for so long and not doing as much of any kind of drug, i've become much more content with life ... and i save money as well heh
but yes, make sure you have a strong foundation before you start doing drugs, because otherwise (in many cases) the foundation can break and you'll be worse off than happy. if you have the foundation set, and have a strong mentality, then drugs will most likely only enhance what is there, and you won't be dependent on them for a good time
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#429903 - 10/18/01 10:18 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: advice [Re: ]
#429919 - 10/18/01 10:27 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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i've tried to break from the pot-cycle as well being that this is my 1st year of college and i'm lookin' to transfer as well - but it's pretty hard - i always find myself at the end of the day after i'm done with my work wanting to just toke a bowl and relax - maybe kick back, watch a movie or just listen to some tunes. haven't been able to actually drop the habit, but then again, i guess i really don't want to 
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Re: advice [Re: geokills]
#430116 - 10/19/01 01:48 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Totally agree with you. I sign when I see posts at this and other drug sites that give the chosen substance almost religious importance. I'm very suspicious of the idea that drugs bring you somehow closer to god/yourself/reality or whatever.
Weed is probably even worse in that it is seemingly so benign. You start off having interesting experiences and end a few years later smoking the stuff every single day and have trouble stopping. I know from personal experience that it dulls your mind and clouds reality. This stops when you stop taking it for a few weeks but who manages that?
I think using drugs is OK but abusing them is a really bad idea. Problem is - who are you to know the difference?
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Re: advice [Re: NDK]
#430180 - 10/19/01 03:40 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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who are you to know the difference?
hehe... true true 
no biggie though - man, these days are fuckin DARK... i just talked to my girlfriend who broke up with me a month + ago when we left for different colleges... i really loved her and she just told me tonight that she had sex with some guy for a week but she broke it off and still loves me? my god this world is fucked up... where the hell am i supposed to go from here..? i've had opportunities with other girls here but i didn't take 'em specifically because i still had my old girlfriend in mind... i do love her, how can she says she's loved me when she does shit like this... i don't kno what to do - so fuckin confused - it's like i'm actually realizing for the first time that this world is really fucked up and cruel sometimes - but you can't do shit about it... i've been so fuckin blind - wow, check this rant i'm goin on
--- and what do i do? i fuckin go and smoke a fat ass bowl and pound a few beers... not the right idea i'm sure, but right now i just need to get my mind somewhere else - being that this is a post entitled ADVICE i was wonderin if anyone had any advice... am i gonna get over this shit? or you recommend i drop this venture - cause i don't know what to do, i wanted to wait - but this shit may fuck with my head more than i'd like it to  ... for chrissake, helps me!!!
aghhhhhhhhhh!!! i can't believe i still want to be with this chick, she's got a fuckin HOLD on me - it's like when she first broke up with me it felt like she took a wood baseball bat and knocked me to the ground... now it's like she's beating the shit out of me for the second time and i'm just a fuckin shiverring broken animal huddling in the corner of the room - i swear to god, this is seriously fuckin with me :(:(:(!!!!!!
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#430378 - 10/19/01 10:20 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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geokills
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Re: advice [Re: ]
#430495 - 10/19/01 01:04 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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how is that what she needs? what about me? i feel like i'm just takin shots left and right for this girl. throughout this whole mess i've been the one trying to make it work... and what do i get for being completely forgiving and trying to be the nicest, most understanding person i can be - i get fucked over (rather she did )! i always told myself that if it went that far i was out - but i still can't see myself giving up, and that's insane, cause i know this shit will haunt me. yesterday was the worst day of my life, and today is definitely not much better, if at all. it's like the minute i get over the fact that she dropped me for reasons she never brought up with me before to try to work it all out, BOOM - she drops another bomb on me... i don't know... what's it going to take for me to realize that i'm fighting a pointless uphill battle. she obviously didn't care too much about me if she went and did this did she? or is it like what someone had told me a few weeks ago: the girls get to college and they're itching for sex since they've been in a routiene w/ their boyfriends in high school. not that that's much better, this is such a fucked up situation - i feel sick
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Re: advice [Re: geokills]
#430543 - 10/19/01 02:12 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Calm down... Find another girl. It sounds like she's giving you more grief than joy! Who needs that. I mean shits hard enuf without extra drama...
If you have to think that hard about whether or not you should stay with her you probably already no the answer :(
It'll probably take a while before you feel alright again or it may not. OH yeah if your the only one trying to make it work it probably won't it's gotta be mutual or it won't happen.
I hope everything works out good for you man.
Edited by psilocybinjunkie (10/19/01 02:13 PM)
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i don't want other girls is the problem - i was with another girl, no one makes me feel the same way that she does - and you're speaking the complete truth when you say more grief than joy, but that's only as of late. i had two years of paradise, i honestly thought i would be spending the rest of my life with this girl... not even me so much, SHE was the one who brought up thoughts of gettin married, etc.. i know what i should do, but i can't - it's impossible for me to forget about her, believe me i've tried. i guess only time will tell. i hope everything works out good too  . thanks though...
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Re: advice [Re: geokills]
#430551 - 10/19/01 02:31 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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a similar situation happened with this chick i used to go out with, though she cheated on me IN FRONT OF ME ON 2 DATES with 2 of my best friends ... i dropped her, and tho I still loved her, I got over her (this took a few months). with life being so short it's not worth living in the past, find a new girl
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Re: advice [Re: HB]
#430993 - 10/19/01 09:56 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm sorry you're having a rough time.... i was dating this guy a few years back and i thought he was my whole world, that i would never find someone that i loved as much. he cheated on me, played mind games with me, etc. anyway, this girl is obviously messed up if she slept with someone else, etc. well, anyway, i finally got the strength to completely cut things off with this guy. i thought i was going to die for about four months, and then i met someone else when i was least expecting it. and you know what? we have love and respect for each other. so don't worry, you will find someone that will treat you right. just don't settle in the meantime, even if you think you love the person more than anything. sorry if this is a little confusing... hope it helps.
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Re: advice [Re: sevendef]
#431990 - 10/21/01 12:42 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well my life seems it has no purpose...and hallucinogens didn't make me think any differently on it... I know "I" am the only one that will be able to find purpose no drug or person is going to do that for me...its just tiring
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Re: advice [Re: sevendef]
#431991 - 10/21/01 12:43 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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i wish for a real one
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Chemical_Smile
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It is possible to fuck up and cheat once w/out wanting to end a great relationship. Everybody gets weak at times. If she knows that the other guy was a mistake and she wants to be comitted to you give her another chance. You just have to know your girl and whether or not she is sincere and trustworthy.
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i don't think there is an excuse that is bullshit...don't fool yourself
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Re: advice [Re: sevendef]
#432739 - 10/21/01 09:52 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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> i really think it's bad to look to hallucinogens for answers
I think hallucinogens are no more or less valid than a sober mindset, so I don't think it's bad to look to hallucinogens, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good.
> now ive come to realize that it can really hurt you if you dont know what your doing
Yeah, blindly believing in things can come to hurt you. Faith and hope aren't really bad things though. Faith and/or hope are not guarantees of a good outcome: they just make you feel good while they're being felt.
> you might wake up one day and realize you dont know who you are and that you cant function in the world because all you know is this strange trip-dreamworld..
My experience was that I realized I was slowly driving myself into a hole, but they're didn't seem anyway out of it. It was like voluntarily putting myself in a coffin and hoping for the best. It didn't come as a surprise. I think it takes too long with hallucinogens to develop a serious problem without realizing the path you're taking.
> anyways i feel like ive finally woke up from that dream
Lucky you. My whole life is a dream, and DXM seems like the faraway normal, "true", consciousness that is awakeness, but even DXM (and other hallucinogens) seem like dreams. Reality seems like a dream.
The nice thing about living in a dream is that you don't have as much to worry about.
> ive realized that my whole way of thinking about life is wrong..
There's no "wrong" way of thinking about things. If there were a "right" way of thinking about things, that "Right" way could be prooven, but it can't. Philosophy is never wrong or right, and thought is the essence of philosophy. There's a proper way to going about philosophy (eg/ if you believe in logic, then no self-contradictory statements), but you can't apply that approach to the whole of existence.
> enjoy all the luxuries in your life without guilt(its natural, dont worry)
What if one were to consider drugs a luxury?
> find out what you love to do
And if you love taking hallucinogens?
> i have to get my life on track
Which socially constructed track would be? The career-path to an income with a high amount of disposable income, in order to become a Good Consumer to do your duty to society and feed the economy?
> someday when i really feel better about my life i will experience it again in a whole new light..
You're quitting drugs so that you can do them again someday?
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Re: advice [Re: Kid]
#432867 - 10/21/01 11:32 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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it's hard but you need that reminder of who you are...illusion and truth can start to blend into one another...perceptions can be deceived.... i guess that is what is upseting about some of these posts people are too rapped up what's "cool"....
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Build your identity.
There's nothing inately wrong with what you have done. As you get older you will find other things that will give you answers. Reading is the greatest thing that you can do to better yourself. Not idle trash though. Learn from religion, not religion itself , but from the precepts that it teaches. I'm somewhat agnostic BTW.
Philosophy, such as existentialism, Taoism, Kaballah, all have the groundwork for seeing the world as it truly is, and your part in it. Just for the insight, I listen to christian radio broadcasts on the radio to re-enforce my concepts of family. I filter out the referiences to Jesus, since I was raised as a jew.
Raising a child has given me the enlightenment that my life was lacking. I've since disposed om my material ways of thinking which only got me into trouble, spiritually and financially.
As a young person, do not allow the values of your family, no matter the condtion of your relations with them, to fall by the wayside. They have probably been where you are now themselves and don't want you to make the same mistakes that I'm sure they HAVE made.
Allowing yourselve to look at yourself externally takes much practice. Try putting into words, in a composition book, the way in which you view yourself, the way you feel your parents view you and the way in which you think that a stranger would view you. Till this day, I occasionally do this to gage where I am and where I need to be.
Enough for now since I've probably said too much.
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Re: advice [Re: NDK]
#440455 - 10/29/01 08:55 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am suspicous of people who hold reality in such high regard. Ecstatic states are godly states. I for one do think my drug use is religous in context. I feel closer to god on mushrooms, then all my years combined with Judaism.
I read to learn about humanity. I trip to forget about humanity.
I don't worship the mushroom, I am able to worship while under their influence.
Without them I lack the ability to feel GOD. I can think about god and talk about god without, but I can't worship without. I think my intellect gets in the way. But when I can't remember what a clock is for, worship is easy.
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