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Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop?
#1617737 - 06/08/03 03:35 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I get more bad trips than I should, basically becasue I almost always get this thought loop, where I think, wow this is starting to get a little too much, oh man i don't know if i can handle this, wow I just want this to slow down, oh shoot i'm only coming up, its going to be like this for so long, oh man its going to be MORE INTENSE! I just want to come down.
Its a horrible panicky feeling that goes away after the peak. Any advice on what to do during this hellish thought loop to make it go away? I know people say you learn a lot from bad trips, but I think thats in reference to the bad introspective trips. This is a nonsense bad trip.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1617740 - 06/08/03 03:42 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhaps you should read the Psychedelic Experience book. Just look up Psycedelic Experience on google.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Earth_Droid] 1
#1617930 - 06/08/03 08:27 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Start doing somthing, you have to take your mind off worrying or all ur goin to do is wind urself up more.Change your setting and get your mind workin on somthing else, somtimes worring makes it feel like the drugs hitting you harder than it actually is. Tell yourself youv just taken a drug and youll be straight in a few hours and youll be pist you didnt ejoy it.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1617951 - 06/08/03 08:56 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I've had a couple bad trips but learned to cope with them. Usually when something is running through my mind I'll be worried bout it but then I'll come to some sense that I'm TRIPPING. ANd if that doens't work then I just start laughing at the thoughts. Remember, you make the trip what you want it to be. Maybe you should take a nap before u trip so you're on a clear mind.
Hope I helped
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Cracka_X]
#1618000 - 06/08/03 09:37 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeap i know exactly what you mean!
i find the peak of my mushroom experience to be incredibly intense, and in the wrong situations (eg. an overpacked club event the other night) this can become terribly uncomfortable. what makes it worse, i feel, is that when u get into a negative mindset it can be a downward spiral, where the visuals you get may become more negatively orientated and make you feel even worse.
in my recent situation, i was surrounded by people whos faces were morphing into all kinds of ugly messes and demonic forms! it was very annoying and made me extremely uncomfortable... i found a seat with a friend, managed to get my mind off this and suddenly i was having the most ecstatic and amazing trip! i began to notice my body feeling intensly physically good (rushes similar to ecstasy), and my mindset slowly took on a positive feel as well 
basically, if you're not enjoying your trip, try to change things. change the setting, whether it be where you're at or the people you're around... find something to do perhaps to take your mind off the negative things. i find closing my eyes and taking several slow and deep breaths, clearing my thoughts (similar to meditation) works well.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: jimbu]
#1618214 - 06/08/03 11:33 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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changing youre setting is good go outdoors if you can. a huggin a tree once saved me from a nasty trip.
indoors lie down in a trip friendly place and play some music this will help you let go. once you can let your self go you might enjoy that intense im gonna loose it feeling at least i do
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1618509 - 06/08/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've found that if you're in a group, and things are just getting to heavy, go lie down on some comfortable grass and just look at the stars, you will see some very, very amazing sights.
Basically, going for a short walk, laying down, some things by yourself or maybe with one trustworthy friend have worked well for me during somewhat bad experiences.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: HeavenlyBlue]
#1618526 - 06/08/03 02:49 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Repeat a mantra in your mind, it works wonders even for everyday use. Choose whatever one you want, examples of ones i use. Rama- means rejoice, Om mani padme hum- ancient Buddhist mantra; not sure of extact meaning, but its a beautiful phrase. Just repeat it slowly, however don't really leave much space between repeating it, just do a constant like rama..rama..rama; give it a try and tell me how it works. Good luck 
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1618531 - 06/08/03 02:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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remind yourself that you've been waiting for this trip for a long time, and that now you're wasting valuable trip-time by freaking out and not enjoying yourself. Realize the fun realize the highly-complex games your subconscious is playing with your fragile ego and don't forget to laugh
-------------------- Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me. In addition: SHPONGLE
Edited by Strumpling (06/08/03 03:11 PM)
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Cougheeman]
#1618543 - 06/08/03 02:57 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Om mani padme hum = The Jewel of the Lotus
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1619002 - 06/08/03 06:54 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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And if all else fails, have a copy of "Wondrous Stories" by Yes ready to play. It saved me from a bad acid trip once. Ever since, it's been just the ticket to get me back in a positive vibe. It's like the 5 minute antidote to bad trips, and it takes effect instantly.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: LucidDream]
#1619016 - 06/08/03 07:03 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where can I get Wondrous Stories????
If you ever hit a bad trip, think of something REALLY great to do, and go do it right away.
I always enjoy a nice walk in the forest, though not alone, with someone else, not too many people though, things will get out of hand, one or two more people with you is just perfect. Find a nice bench to sit on, and chill. This way if your trip doesn't get better, just puke somewhere in the forest and you don't have to clean it up, just don't do it on the path or anything, that's just disgusting...
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: r00tg04t]
#1619023 - 06/08/03 07:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where can I get Wondrous Stories????
At the Cd store. Its in an album called "Going for the One".
Edited by OctopusDr (06/08/03 07:12 PM)
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: OctopusDr]
#1619199 - 06/08/03 08:35 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think meditation would be your best bet... just clear your mind from ALL thoughts..and meditation while tripping is an nice expericence
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: DrBonG]
#1619472 - 06/08/03 10:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man I had an experience just like this Saturday. Freaked me out. I have done acid about 60 times, and this was my second shroom trip. I took about 1.5 grams the first time and it was just OK. I took 3.6 this time, and it blew me away. The grass looked like a million swaying trees, that were swaying to some crazy beat. It was cool! Then I saw all kinds of crazyness in the trees, and everywhere else. I even had a couple of brief moments were everything I saw changed to another place or something.
Then I puked. Went inside and sat down on the couch. I started to think it was too intense, getting a little scare for some reason. Next thing you know I end up in a fetal position on my bed. I just started singing to myself and after about 45 minutes I was better. This is the first bad trip experience I have ever had. I think I leaned some stuff from it, and this post has helped me a lot with my concerns, especially the post about thinking that a drug is to intense, and making it worse.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: shakta]
#1619697 - 06/09/03 01:33 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks guys, some very good advice. T minus one week until my second mushie trip, I'm stoked!
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1620086 - 06/09/03 05:33 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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You allways seem to learn more from bad trips....not to mention extracting Some massive XP to your grit factor...
Getting your self ready to die...
One day at a time...
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Strumpling]
#1620116 - 06/09/03 06:12 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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remind yourself that you've been waiting for this trip for a long time, and that now you're wasting valuable trip-time by freaking out and not enjoying yourself. Realize the fun realize the highly-complex games your subconscious is playing with your fragile ego and don't forget to laugh
Great advice! Usually when I trip alone I end up getting stuck in a thought loop, focusing on the bad aspects of myself, then I get past that and laugh at my absurd thoughts..... IMO most people get the "what have I done to myself" feeling at times, I usually get it when im coming up but it soon passes
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: st0nedphucker]
#1620165 - 06/09/03 07:31 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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"You allways seem to learn more from bad trips"
That's often very true. I had a VERY bad trip that followed a VERY good trip, and I'd say that I learned about as much from the bad trip as from the good one. That said, I'd of course much rather have a good trip (that goes without saying obviously).
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Pala]
#1620838 - 06/09/03 01:41 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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The advice I usually give to my friends though if they're past the bad thought loop and feel like total shit is just to let it out, let it all out, then brush your teeth and you'll feel much better.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: r00tg04t]
#1622657 - 06/09/03 11:24 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I get that panicky ITS TOO INTENSE feeling, like it'll get out of hand, I remember to let go of the negative thoughts, they're only causing conflict. There's no reason to have these thoughts, they can't do any good at this second. Feels nice slipping out of that negative loop. If that doesn't work quick enough, a change to a better environment can do wonders. Just go outside (preferably somewhere lit). Remember the fact you're lucky to be tripping at that moment, and to live it.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: KackleDude]
#1623555 - 06/10/03 11:34 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just remember to that no matter HOW fucked up you are, no one has ever died from overdosing on mushrooms, so you'll ultimately be okay.
I once fell into this heavy depression trip and there wasn't anyone around to talk me out of it. I turned on the TV and it saved me completely. Television does your thinking for you and holds your attention, which breaks those nasty thought loops. That might help to if you need a quick fix.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Twelve_Nomads]
#1626774 - 06/11/03 03:58 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nothing can get you out of a trip, once you've dosed there's no easy way out. Not wanting the trip at that moment can get you more panicky, the knowledge that no matter how hard I want it to end it won't could help. Then again it could make it worse.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: KackleDude]
#1627903 - 06/12/03 12:56 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree - it can and does help - you're strapped in and the plane has left the ground so its best to relax and enjoy it instead of freaking out and making it hard on yourself
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1631462 - 06/13/03 02:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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First describe how much you take were you take it and with who? Mayor influences for a bad trip. My rule is always to do them in nature (only times i had bad trips ware in the city) second with who, I only do it with my 2 traveling buddies serious and responsible explores. Amount is up to you but in your case al go slowly until find out the reason of your bad trips. Use some rue with it makes the trip smother less edgy easier to handle. But I think is fear of the unknown (is natural, to feel this way) you have to let go, become like child. Is because you are fighting it, I think. Well good luck.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: r00tg04t]
#1631885 - 06/13/03 05:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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the trick is to surrender to the flow.....
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: r00tg04t]
#1631888 - 06/13/03 05:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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the trick is to surrender to the flow.....
lizards
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: makisupa09]
#1631953 - 06/13/03 05:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just think happy thoughts You can make yourself happy when tripping just by thinking about it, as long as you remember to do so. Didn't read the rest of the thread; sorry if someone already said this. -- Micro
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: micro]
#1642256 - 06/18/03 12:28 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I printed up this thread and sealed it, and wrote on the outside "Open in case of bad trip." We're going camping tonight, going to dose tomorrow. I am incredibly excited, I feel like a kid who's going to disneyland in the morning.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1642337 - 06/18/03 12:53 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, have a great time!
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: MOTH]
#1642457 - 06/18/03 01:29 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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During the Dead at Bonnaroo, I actually succeeded in breaking out of a negative thought loop. By telling myself certain things about the situation, I kept a trip from going bad and instead kept it as the most positive trip of my life. It was a great feeling and the first time that I've been able to keep a trip from going bad.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Pala]
#1642461 - 06/18/03 02:08 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would take a benzo myself. It works wonders for that.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Noviseer]
#1642713 - 06/18/03 03:51 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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That panicky feeling affects alot of my friends too. Most people like to smoke a bowl on the come up, soon before your unable to smoke . I dont get that feeling though and weed usually makes thing that much more mental. For me the best way to change the vibe is to change the music, break away from the group or just go into anouther room. Simple things can avoid a bad trip.
I had my first bad trip on shrooms 2 weeks ago. It was only an 8th but i drank a bunch of grapefruit juice. I had headphones on and was listening to shpongle. After taking the shrooms the group i was with split up, going our seperate ways. Big mistake for me, ill never trip alone again. I tricked my self into thinking i was insane, thinking shrooms cant make you see the shit im seeing. I though aliens were talking to me, which was cool, but i also had thoughts of suicide.
I could have avoided all that if i would have found one of my friends to ground me to reality ....im guessing.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: moosehead]
#1642985 - 06/18/03 05:42 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whenever I catch a negative or unpleasant thought loop coming on, I immediately change my setting. Get up and stretch, drink some cold water (water is a happy thing), let out a primal scream...these things almost always help me to get back on track and tripping blissfully. Peace.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: moosehead]
#1643168 - 06/18/03 11:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it comes down to knowing who you are and what you're doing.. if you're not sure on either (and probably tons more personal stuff..), it can be a bumpy ride
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1643171 - 06/18/03 11:15 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my opinion, taking other drugs is not a good way to "get rid of" self-induced negative "stuff."
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Strumpling]
#1644039 - 06/19/03 08:17 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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In my car i have a cd that can break me out of any mood iand into pure bliss. I suggest that you get some music that triggers positive memories and feelings. remember that your trrip is a combination of your physical seting and your mental state. unless you are positive you have both of those components you probably shouldnt trip.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Pala]
#1644757 - 06/19/03 12:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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MAaan, during Widespread I started coming into a bad trip. I was having a blast until I feel my arm as if it jus been stuck(like where ppl shoot up) and I felt there and it was wet and my vein was protruding. Then they played a song something like "your time has come and feel fading blabalbla *very gloomy scary music with red lights to back effects* I wiped my head and noticed how much I was sweating and thought it was the shit some bastard injected me with. I thought I was dead. I didn't know weather to keep my cool and enjoy the music or dash through the crowds to make it to the first aid. So I decided to move closer to the stage and danced it off. I was thinkin to myself bout the last time I decieved myself while tripping and this is similar so I brought myself out of the eppisode. God I was scared shitless tho.
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: Cracka_X]
#1647949 - 06/20/03 11:27 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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When i get into a negative or just annoying thought loop you just have to realize your in control and get up walk around or watch a movie or do something different. it doesnt take much
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Re: Advice on breaking out of a negative thought loop? [Re: DellComputers]
#1647981 - 06/20/03 11:46 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, BUT at that time you're not thinking with a reasonable but a radical logic. I fucked myself over during my first trip, but can handle and control it now... kinda
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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