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Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court
    #4263031 - 06/06/05 12:06 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/scotus.medical.marijuana/


That's just a blatant disrespectful overreaching of federal power :cuss:


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Tao]
    #4263044 - 06/06/05 12:10 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

The liberal justices fucked this one up. Rehnquist dissented, as did O'Connor and Thomas. Those aren't the judges I expected to be in the minority.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Redstorm]
    #4263050 - 06/06/05 12:12 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

I just heard this as well. What a world. :rolleyes:


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Tao]
    #4263054 - 06/06/05 12:12 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

Tao said:
That's just a blatant disrespectful overreaching of federal power :cuss:



Agreed.

"Few people see the logical absurdity of letting a government decide the meaning of the very document that is supposed to limit that government's powers."
- Joseph Sobran

From the U.S. Constitution's 'Bill of Rights' amendments:
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Redstorm]
    #4263066 - 06/06/05 12:17 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Yep, O'Connor said if she were a legislator she would vote against it, but she's not, so she can't. Smart girl.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Redstorm]
    #4263069 - 06/06/05 12:19 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

The liberal/conservative line is so blurred. The 'liberal' NY Times slipped this into their article:

Quote:

Under the Constitution, Congress may pass laws regulating a state's economic activity so long as it involves "interstate commerce" that crosses state borders. The California marijuana in question was homegrown, distributed to patients without charge and without crossing state lines.




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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Tao]
    #4263072 - 06/06/05 12:19 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Good. Now the government can crack down on immorality among the dying.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Tao]
    #4263204 - 06/06/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

A fucking shameful day.

If only the cops had busted Bush for marijuana back in the 70s.


From the linked article:
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In its hard-line stance in opposition to medical marijuana, the federal government invoked a larger issue. "The trafficking of drugs finances the work of terror, sustaining terrorists," said President Bush in December 2001. Tough enforcement, the government told the justices, "is central to combating illegal drug possession."




:rotfl: I still get such a kick out of that.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Tao]
    #4263211 - 06/06/05 01:08 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

the commerce clause renders the rest of the constitution null and void...the 9th and 10th amendments specifically were effectively overturned in US v Sprague (1931) on the grounds that they conflicted with the earlier commerce clause...

EDIT ..the marijuana case had in fact already been decided in 1942 (wickard v filburn)...


Edited by Annapurna1 (06/06/05 02:01 PM)


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4263256 - 06/06/05 01:28 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

The Commerce Clause is a legitimate provision in the Constitution and has been used to progress the country numerous times (desegregation for example). Unfortunately, the judges COMPLETELY misinterpreted the provision. The marijuana was not crossing state borders, so the Commerce Clause should have never been brought to the table.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Redstorm]
    #4263285 - 06/06/05 01:36 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Justice Thomas states it so clearly: "Respondents Diane Monson and Angel Raich use marijuana that has never been bought or sold, that has never crossed state lines, and that has had no demonstrable effect on the national market for marijuana."

http://wid.ap.org/scotus/pdf/03-1454P.ZD1.pdf

here is a link to the Thomas dissent. I thought it kicked ass.

so we have 6 judges who do not give a shit about states rights. i thought scalia did but i guess he became the bush administrations little bitch on this one.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Redstorm]
    #4263326 - 06/06/05 01:49 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
The Commerce Clause is a legitimate provision in the Constitution and has been used to progress the country numerous times (desegregation for example). Unfortunately, the judges COMPLETELY misinterpreted the provision. The marijuana was not crossing state borders, so the Commerce Clause should have never been brought to the table.




roscoe filburns' wheat wasnt crossing state borders either...the wickard ruling effectively gives the feds blanket power over any and all activity which involves a commodity that can be carried across a state line...wickard was without a doubt one of the proverbial nails in the coffin of liberty...

justice stevens may have meant to be sarcastic when he suggested that medical marijuana could be legalized in congress..which is virtually owned by the pharmaceutical and prison industries...


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4263427 - 06/06/05 02:23 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

See, that is absurd. I don't know how the courts could misconstrue something as simple as "crossing state lines".


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Redstorm]
    #4263495 - 06/06/05 02:44 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Yeah, I was dissapointed by Scalia. The others were more predictable.

This means that we are going to have to switch completely to a populist anti-prohibiton campaign in congress and forget the courts.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4263559 - 06/06/05 02:58 PM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Luckily, we have the population on our side for medical MJ. I believe the medical MJ fight will be much easier than the fights that will come in the next few decades for recreational MJ.

But it's a start. We need to make Congress realize how many of the people they're representing support medical marijuana, and after that they'll just follow the crowd hopefully.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Ravus]
    #4264179 - 06/06/05 04:56 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

it doesnt matter what the population thinks..it what the pharmaceutical and prison industries think that matters in congress...and that in turn can be blamed on corporate libertarians such as evolving and ancalogon(sp)...


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Edited by Annapurna1 (06/06/05 04:58 PM)


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4264196 - 06/06/05 05:02 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

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it doesnt matter what the population thinks..it what the pharmaceutical and prison industries think that matters in congress...and that in turn can be blamed on corporate libertarians such as evolving and ancalogon(sp)...



Excuse me, but when have either of those "corporate libertarians" ever supported the close relationship between corporations and the government to which you refer? My recollection is that both have long been adamantly opposed to it.


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Tao]
    #4264487 - 06/06/05 06:38 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

Here's the best site I've found so far on this latest decision. Extremely comprehensive.

http://lsolum.blogspot.com/archives/2005_06_01_lsolum_archive.html#111806792342237189




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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Silversoul]
    #4264530 - 06/06/05 06:48 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
it doesnt matter what the population thinks..it what the pharmaceutical and prison industries think that matters in congress...and that in turn can be blamed on corporate libertarians such as evolving and ancalogon(sp)...



Excuse me, but when have either of those "corporate libertarians" ever supported the close relationship between corporations and the government to which you refer? My recollection is that both have long been adamantly opposed to it.




that may be so..but its difficult for me to imagine how such partnerships could be avoided in the "hands-off" environment that they advocate...in certain industries such as pharmaceuticals..economies of scale will necessarily favour large..centralized corporations..which either the govt can tax and regulate..or else it will be vice-versa...

to get back on topic..im a bit curious as to how the 9th circuit court could have missed something as obvious as the wickard ruling...


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Edited by Annapurna1 (06/06/05 06:58 PM)


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Re: Medical MJ loses in Supreme Court [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4264600 - 06/06/05 07:15 PM (12 years, 19 days ago)

this doesnt bother me much because legal or not, i have my sources to always get it whenever, so the government can suck my balls


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