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Offlinejimistillrocks
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the 7 states of consciousness
    #4255684 - 06/04/05 01:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i heard that there are 7 levels of consciousness that help reach ego loss, and pyschedelics have been used as catalyst with the process. the tibetan buddhist were some the first to adventure with this until the boom of the 60's.... if anyone knows of some good ways or past experiences to share or helpful suggestions, it would be most appreciated... i've tried it a couple of times and cant seem to hold on the the light, whatever that means... thanks


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: jimistillrocks]
    #4255761 - 06/04/05 02:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

7?
hmmm let me think, see if i can count them
1: awake and sober
2: drunk
3: stoned
4: tripping
5: asleep
6: dreaming

maybe 5 and 6 are the same.

so I would say no there are only 5 or 6 levels of conscoiusness depending on how you look at it! 
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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: jimistillrocks]
    #4255815 - 06/04/05 02:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That is just an idea Leary had, later turned into "8 circuits",
you can't really take it for granted like that, he was just a man taking notes on his trips, nothing more.


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4255940 - 06/04/05 02:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i like how you give alcohol and marijuana their own categories but anything that makes you "trip" is just teh same state fo conciousness


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The creative principle unifies the inner and external worlds. It does not depend on time or space, is ever still and yet in motion; thereby it creates all things, and is therefore called 'the creative and the absolute'; its ebb and its flow extend to infinity. -Tao Te Ching


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: mantra]
    #4255947 - 06/04/05 02:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I know of seven centers, or levels, of consciousness...

Security
Sensation
Power
Love
Cornucopia
Conscious-Awareness
Cosmic Consciousness

In that order, as a spectrum from the center of the least amount of awareness up to nothing but awareness. :grin:

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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: jimistillrocks]
    #4255967 - 06/04/05 03:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would refer you to Lama Anagarika Govinda's book The Psychological Attitude of Early Buddhist Philosophy for details on the five 'jhanas' or states of absorption. Seven is a common number in mystico-religious thought, but the Tibetan Yogas, for example, combine the upper two and lower two chakras for a total of five chakras (corresponding to Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Space-Aether - 5 bhutas or elements). The five jhanas are states of meditative absorption, like the Hindu Yogic samadhis (of which there are also gradations).

BTW, welcome to The Shroomery.

'Light,' like the metal Mercury, are symbols of Consciousness. Mercury (or Quicksilver: quick means 'rapidly moving' but also means 'living') are ungraspable. The depressive states that follow an experience of Light or Higher Consciousness has been called 'The Dark Night of the Soul' in Christian mysticism since St. John of the Cross wrote his experiences of it. It is not to be grasped by a consciousness that is still identified with the grosser manifestations of the Light. Plotinus said: "Only eyes that have become like the Sun can look into the Sun." Christ's message to love was because "God is love." (1 John 4:8). The Work is to Realize one's identity with that Light.

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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: jimistillrocks]
    #4256024 - 06/04/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

1st Bio Surviaval, Opium or downer
2nd Emotional, High dose Alcohol
3rd Dexterity-Symbolism, Cocain or upper
4th Socio-Sexual, no known drug, maybe testosterone?
5th Neurosomatic, Marijuana
6th Neuroelectric, Mushrooms and Peyote
7th Neurogentic, LSD

There was also a later eighth circuit or level of consciousness added:
8th Neuroatomic, High dose LSD and dissacociatives

This terminology is used in The Cosmic Trigger by Robert Anton Wilson and there were many different words used for each of these levels among Leary and Wilson and anyone else who worked on these levels of consciousness. These don't lead you toward ego death or anything, they are just trying to describe the different states of altered consciousness. In my own experience, there are an infintite amount of altered states of consciousness.


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4256524 - 06/04/05 06:09 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
I know of seven centers, or levels, of consciousness...

Security
Sensation
Power
Love
Cornucopia
Conscious-Awareness
Cosmic Consciousness

In that order, as a spectrum from the center of the least amount of awareness up to nothing but awareness. :grin:

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Ken Keyes :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: jimistillrocks]
    #4257610 - 06/05/05 12:00 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Every 5 minutes you change state. I would argue that there are hundreds of states to experience.


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4258439 - 06/05/05 03:21 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

7. frying


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Re: the 8 states of consciousness [Re: mecreateme]
    #4258447 - 06/05/05 03:23 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I said:
1st Bio Survival, Opium or downer (anti-psychotics) (benzos) (suicide)
2nd Emotional, High dose Alcohol
3rd Self-Dexterity-Symbolism, Crystal meth
4th Socio-Sexual/Sensual, Egyptian blue lotus petals (blue lotus opiods)
5th Neurosomatic, Marijuana (anti-oxidant)
6th Neuroelectric, Mushrooms/LSD-25/Mescaline/DPT/Bufotenine
7th Neurogenetic, Pinoline/DMT/5-MeO-DMT/Harmine/Harmaline/Mushrooms/Melatonin (anti-oxidant)/Marijuana
8th Neurodissociative PCP

Mushrooms cross both 6th and 7th astral plane. Marijuana crosses 5 and 7th plane.


Edited by Rudra (06/05/05 03:47 AM)


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something [Re: Rudra]
    #4258774 - 06/05/05 05:51 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

a


Edited by finding_self (04/18/06 11:20 PM)


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fake titles [Re: finding_self]
    #4258780 - 06/05/05 05:54 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

a


Edited by finding_self (04/18/06 11:18 PM)


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Re: the 8 states of consciousness [Re: finding_self]
    #4259438 - 06/05/05 12:21 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

In actuality, I think, a "state of consciousness" is the totality of one's conscious experience and what contributes to and creates that experience. Every single variable in one's environment and in one's thoughts ensures that, in every single moment, we are experiencing a different state of consciousness. :grin:

Of course, there are general constructed models that notice more general ways of sorting it out, for conventional purposes, of course... Recurring themes, etc. etc. etc... :stoned:

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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4259455 - 06/05/05 12:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

1)oriented 2)alert 3)awake 4)arousable 5)lethargic 6)stuporous 7)comatose


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4259506 - 06/05/05 12:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

There are numerous popular ideas as to the presence of occult significance or symbolism within the movie, mostly centered around the Dwarves themselves. For example, one theory holds that the seven dwarves correspond to the seven chakras (or cakras), and that Snow White represents consciousness moving through them. Other ideas are less philosophically complex, such as correspondences to the altered states of consciousness inherent in the use of certain drugs. http://www.answers.com/topic/snow-white-and-the-seven-dwarfs

To wit: Bashful, Doc, Dopey, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy and Sneezy. You figure out the corresponding chakras if you wish. Hi Ho, Hi Ho...


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4259832 - 06/05/05 02:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I was watching the Muppets Wizard Of Oz the other day (:lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:), and I began absorbing the story of the Wizard Of Oz, haven't seen it in many years, when I was very young...

Anyways, I found an interesting, familiar theme that it could perhaps be based upon. Anyone know that which I speak of (it's been far too long since I've seen the original movie, I suppose that it is also in book format...)? :wink:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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Re: the 8 states of consciousness [Re: Rudra]
    #4371037 - 07/05/05 03:15 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

:rasta:Cool. Ive been up to 7.  :stoned:


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: jimistillrocks]
    #4371221 - 07/05/05 04:08 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

There are not seven states of consciousness . There are seven states of consciousness. There are fourteen. There are twenty-eight. All of these are true.


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Re: the 7 states of consciousness [Re: Jellric]
    #4371356 - 07/05/05 06:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

we are very reconfigurable

so many places to go

how do you want to be born?
(narak beings, pretas, animals, humans, asuras, devas, bodhisattvas)



this pretty image reminds me of the repeat patterns visible when besaged.

anyway I think you hold onto states only by letting go of them.
that is what I find anyway, you get to watch and enjoy their passage but nothing is locked in.


Edited by redgreenvines (07/05/05 06:24 AM)


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