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Manna versus Mushrooms
    #416800 - 10/07/01 12:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Manna versus Mushrooms [Re: World Spirit]
    #416849 - 10/07/01 01:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I am currently reading Daniel Merkur's book "The Mystery of Manna," and it offers some possibilities in connection with grain in the Hebrew Bible. His thesis deals with threshed grain on the floor of the Holy of Holies, for example, used in a decoction which was given to drink as a test (similar to the reduced gold from the calf-idol while Moses was on Sinai). The grain however, based on OT passages about 'seeing the Glory of God,' is suspected of being infected with ergot. Perhaps not Claviceps Purpurea, but the Pasipalum form that is suspected of being the basis of the Eleusinian 'kykeon' (the entheogenic barley brew). The ergot connection is far more likely because grain was certainly a part of the life of thoses people, not Amanitas or any other kind of fungus. As to 'manna from heaven,' one always needs to bear in mind that Biblical writings must not be read literally in many cases. Biblical language is often mythological and symbolic and was never intended to be a scientific, journalistic accurate reporting of phenomena, but rather an imputing of a spiritual idea. Words and images couched in flaming nimbuses were intended to 'highlight' centrally important persons, objects or events. The whole imagery of the bodily resurrection of Jesus is a fine example (according to Bishop John Shelby Spong for example). That event was hardly a ' Jesus cleared for liftoff...3...2...1...liftoff!" event, with a human corpus rising through the clouds to the 'dome' of the sky, above which was 'located' heaven (in the 1st century cosmology). Similarly, something raining from heaven, or the heavens, should be seen metaphorically as something significant to be taken notice of - not necessarily literally. The Biblical term for this literary style is called Midrash - it was not intended as deception - it was an attempt to impart a spiritual truth - not an attempt to report phenomenon with scientific or phenomenological accuracy. Shalom. Salaam. Pax.



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    #417298 - 10/07/01 09:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I would humbly disagree back. Scientia, from the Latin is more like the Greek episteme - knowledge of the phenomenal world, not gnosis, which the knowledge of inner, psychospiritual experience which includes faith as a means of apprehending reality. I have and understand faith, and faith is more similar to intuition inasmuch as both do not require the input of the senses and a rational comprehension. It is a knowledge that is immediate - not mediated by the senses and the rational mind. Faith is a contemplative state and operates above the rational - it is transrational, and as such not a material means. The literal levels of the Bible are historical aspects by and large, and it has been long understood by Jewish Biblical scholars (predating Christian scholars) that Scriptures operate on literal, allegorical, symbolic and mystical levels. "I am the vine, you are the branches," is not a literal thing, it is an allegorical one. "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk" is a moral allegory - it is designed to ellict sympathy, empathy, compassion using the example of mammals. To interpret such a command in a literal, and materialistic manner (as some do) is to arrive at: 'do not eat dairy with meat - do not eat cheeseburgers.' It is a materialistic, legalistic and spiritually ignorant interpretation. Such would not come close to the meaning of the author, yet, there are very many people who would robotically and blindly follow such an edict. Literalism - fundamentalism - is the worst sort of distortion - the worst sort of heresy, and is at bottom of extremism in Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions. Shalom Aleichem.



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Re: Manna versus Mushrooms [Re: World Spirit]
    #419060 - 10/09/01 02:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

are you taking the piss?
what do you know about using gematria to interact with the bible?
language is not solid it is fluid and as it pours thru the minds of scribes and scholars it is permeated by their stench



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