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Extracing Psilocin from piss?
    #4158919 - 05/10/05 08:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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In the high dose study of rats, all but 6 pecent of the psilocybin was excreted within twenty-four hours. In humans, only 80-85% of psilocybin and its metabolites is excerted within 8 hours, in the urine (about 65%), bile and feces (15-20%). Some 15-20% olingers on, stored in fatty tissues; significant quantitites appear in urine up to a week later. A full 25% of the originally administered dose enters urine as psilocin.




Just curious... would there be any simple way to extract psilocin from piss?  I've heard of eskimos drinking each others piss to stay high, but I don't think I'm quite up to that. :projectile:


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: kratomboy]
    #4159073 - 05/10/05 09:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

jesus, if you could extract it from piss would you? Are you that hard up for psilocin?


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: tahoe]
    #4159229 - 05/10/05 09:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Not really, I cultivate.  :strokebeard:  Really just curious.  I was reading that article on erowid and remembered hearing about the eskimos and...  well, you know how thoughts are...  they bounce from one thing to another until eventually you're wondering how to re-use piss (well, I am anyway).  :grin:


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: kratomboy]
    #4160310 - 05/11/05 02:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:ass: :ass: Can you extract psilocybin from that? Lol


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: kratomboy]
    #4161644 - 05/11/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That article you mentioned has it wrong. They werent eskimos but Siberian native tribes who did in fact drink each other's urin to stay high. BUT it wasnt Psilocin my friend, nor psilocybin. It was Muscimol which is the active chemical in Amanita Muscaria also known as Fly Agaric. So drink all the urin you want after eating Psilocybin mushrooms and I doubt anything will happen, other than you probably feeling a bit sick over what you just did. Amanita muscaria is one of the only halucinogens that have this unique ability to pass through the body unchanged making someone drinking able to get high again.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: SurwinMaxawow]
    #4161670 - 05/11/05 01:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with surwinmaxawow.
and the second thing is that psilocybin is converted to psilocin in the stomache so it would be psilocin in the urine and that is very reactive so it would oxidize quite quickly.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: SurwinMaxawow]
    #4163169 - 05/11/05 08:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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That article you mentioned has it wrong. They werent eskimos but Siberian native tribes who did in fact drink each other's urin to stay high. BUT it wasnt Psilocin my friend, nor psilocybin. It was Muscimol which is the active chemical in Amanita Muscaria also known as Fly Agaric. So drink all the urin you want after eating Psilocybin mushrooms and I doubt anything will happen, other than you probably feeling a bit sick over what you just did. Amanita muscaria is one of the only halucinogens that have this unique ability to pass through the body unchanged making someone drinking able to get high again.




The article was actually talking about urine tests, and the ammount of chemicals from Psilocybin mushrooms that gets passed to the urine as well as methods for detecting those chemicals. That's what make me think about the Eskimos... er.. Siberians. So you are saying NO ammount of psilocin whatsoever gets passed into the urine?


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4163173 - 05/11/05 08:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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:ass: :ass: Can you extract psilocybin from that? Lol




Actually it's stating that it's psilocin that ends up in the urine.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: pyronicx]
    #4163191 - 05/11/05 08:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with surwinmaxawow.
and the second thing is that psilocybin is converted to psilocin in the stomache so it would be psilocin in the urine and that is very reactive so it would oxidize quite quickly.




True, I didn't think about it oxidising. Once isolated from the urine, you might be able to keep it suspended in a liquid to keep that from happening.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: kratomboy]
    #4163255 - 05/11/05 08:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Whether or not any psilocin ends up in a person's urin, the only mushroom I have ever read about natives being able to actually get high from drinking their urin are from Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) which does not contain any psilocin/psilocybin at all. It contains ibotenic acid and muscimol two completely unrelated chemicals to psilocin.
I highly dont enough psilocin passes through the body's urin to get a person high from drinking it.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: SurwinMaxawow]
    #4164034 - 05/11/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Psilocin does pass through the urine. Just dont ask me how i know that :smile:


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: Hashbar]
    #4164056 - 05/11/05 11:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The article on erowid says 25% of original dose ends up in urine as psilocin. That might be completely made up, but erowid usually has fairly reliable info.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: Hashbar]
    #4164072 - 05/11/05 11:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting. I wonder if letting the urine evaporate(if indeed psilocin does pass through urine) would leave you with a nice almost pure psilocin mixture. It would be better than drinking urine anyways. I might have to experiment with this.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: mastacheefa]
    #4164078 - 05/11/05 11:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

drinking urine isnt really all that bad actually id guess that the amount of psilocin that passes through is higher than 25% too but i dont have anything concrete on that. The psilocin would prolly decompose rather quickly if left to the air to dehydrate. Much better to consume the urine fresh directly from the source. Far less gross than drinking stale piss or concentrated piss crystals.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: Hashbar]
    #4164899 - 05/12/05 02:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would drink the shit out of my or someone else's piss (my own would be alot easier, mentally) if it contained enough psilocin to keep me high or make me trip. If anyone can confirm that this will work I will kindly send a picture of myself downing a glass of urine on my next trip (omfg, I know how it sounds, just what I need when i'm tripping balls). I've not done enough with amanita's yet to warrent this, (only one trip so far with those) but if I end up falling in love with those I'll swallow the piss for sure. It's just a mental hangup to dance around. I'd do it for sure for psilocin, though.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4165126 - 05/12/05 03:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think the psilocin gets destroyed after a short time. Just because its "in the urine", could also just mean that the oxidized psilocin is detectable...not the actual psilocin.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: Veter]
    #4165413 - 05/12/05 08:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not a chemistry major or anything like that, but I think that oxidized psilocin wouldn't be called psilocin anymore.  Anything that oxidizes would change chemical structure.  Anyone know what the new name would be?  Psiloxide? :shrug:


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: kratomboy]
    #4173650 - 05/14/05 06:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

wouldnt most psilocin oxidise because the hydrogen from the water ,? thus weaking the overall strength of the product significantly


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: liveby]
    #4173812 - 05/14/05 09:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, I haven't found a source saying this explicitly, but I believe psilocin is degraded enzymatically in the brain (via the same enzymes that degrade serotonin) and by enzymes in the kidneys/liver. Drug tests don't detect psilocybin per se but rather their metabolic bi-products. Bottom line...there's no actives in urine.


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Re: Extracing Psilocin from piss? [Re: liveby]
    #4174077 - 05/14/05 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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wouldnt most psilocin oxidise because the hydrogen from the water ,? thus weaking the overall strength of the product significantly




That's one for the chemistry people. I think it depends on the chemical relationship between the two molicules. If the attraction is strong enough, psilocin could possibly tear the oxygen atom from the water, but I think h2o is a pretty tough molicule. h2o2 would be a different story. I don't know for sure. You could always "store" the psilocin in a different liquid besides water though.


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