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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
Icelander said:
OldWoodSpecter said:
good thing about death?

Well if there is afterlife you will enjoy it, if there isn't you'll never know that there isn't one


How do you know the afterlife will be plesant? Have you been sneaking around looking at the afterlife without dying. Naughty boy. :thumbdown:


every pain we ever experienced in thislife was due to some problem with matter, so in an existence without matter how can anything go wrong?


Not so. Many people have pain brought on by how they think. What about phantom pain. No matter left, and still pain.

If you don't MIND,  it doesn't MATTER. :grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: Icelander]
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the pain comes from how they think about material issues,
and fantom pain comes from getting used to a material object, like a leg

so in one way or another every pain is material


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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now you're just arguing for the sake of it. If pain is caused by imagining material. Then the material is not real. Thought caused the pain. Some one else could experience the same material event and not feel anything. Hey, could we be dreaming all this? :grin: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: Icelander]
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I'm always arguing for the sake of it


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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God no! Not another one?!


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: MovingTarget]
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another one what?


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Anyone here feel good about the idea of dying, and see benifit in it?

Any other thoughts about the big D? :mushroom2:


Death is the ultimate oppertunity for recognising godhead, buddhanature, divine self, whatever,  becuase as all of the distractions of the senses and the physical conditions die, so there is a better oppertunity for observing the mind and having realization. Or so i have been told...... :wink:


Im just going to try to be as concious and aware as possiible, lucid dream and sleep practice should help alot with this..... :heart:


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All you need is Love! Really thats it! Infinite Unconditional Love! Just develop that and all else will fall into place perfectly!

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: egghead1]
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But if the mind dies too there is no oportunity for anything, perhapse only in the second before brain death, but after the brain death it doesn't matter anymore, nothing you ever did and learned matters any more because you never existed


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Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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How can anyone know what really happens to our minds when our bodies die?

Maybe it remains conscious for some time after death, maybe our consciousness shifts to another dimension... :shrug:


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: MovingTarget]
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when did I claim to know that?


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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I was discussing the topic numbnuts :p


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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OldWoodSpecter said:
But if the mind dies too there is no oportunity for anything, perhapse only in the second before brain death, but after the brain death it doesn't matter anymore, nothing you ever did and learned matters any more because you never existed


The mind is'nt something material, i challenege you to try to find this mind that was born, and will die. Many people confuse the mind with the brain, i hope you have,nt made that same mistake. To me the mind is empty and unborn, when i die i hope to be fully concious in that unborn, undying mind and not caught up in the optical delusion of conciosuness that conceptually separates us from the universal whole, becuase maybe its just that delusion alone that dies and is gets reborn endlessly?


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: egghead1]
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I challenge you to retain your current state of mind after removing a large rectangle-shaped chunk from your cerebrum

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: Doom]
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Doom said:
I challenge you to retain your current state of mind after removing a large rectangle-shaped chunk from your cerebrum


There is nothing to retain. Everything is already how it is, what is there to do? Anyway i doubt i would be able to remove the large rectangular-shaped chunk from my cerebrum as my body would probably be dead :lol:


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: egghead1]
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Until we have evidence of something contrary, it is logically valid to mistake brain for mind


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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How is it possible to have material evidence of something immaterial? Logical is only valid on an intellectual level. In fact its actually illogical to decide conclusively either way due to our lack of understanding about brain in general. But if you investigate within yourself then maybe you can come to some conclusive experience or realization of how you are. Then maybe all the questions and doubts will be put to rest? :wink:

Edited by egghead1 (05/08/05 09:05 AM)

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: egghead1]
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egghead1 said:
How is it possible to have material evidence of something immaterial? Logical is only valid on an intellectual level. In fact its actually illogical to decide conclusively either way due to our own lack of intellectual knowlege about brain.


how is it possible to have immaterial evidence of something immaterial?

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: Doom]
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Direct experience!


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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: egghead1]
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so what you`re saying is that you have had the direct experience of having a mind and that this experience has lead you to believe that the mind is immaterial.

well then, bravo.

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Re: Death, what is it good for. [Re: Doom]
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Doom said:
so what you`re saying is that you have had the direct experience of having a mind and that this experience has lead you to believe that the mind is immaterial.

well then, bravo.


What i am saying is that we should discover for ourselves how things are and not rely soley on second hand evidence and knowelge to formulate our views.

Edited by egghead1 (05/08/05 09:48 AM)

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