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Madweed420shroom
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Hankys ban?
#4144875 - 05/07/05 01:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pics, hell. I've seen the pics. My problem resides in the moderation/editing/deletion of said offensive threads. Changing a link letter and banning the user? Maybe, given that Hanky is an extreme case. Banned indefintely? Give me a good goddamn reason.
There is none, other than personal dislike. Same as PGF for goatsex.ce'ing PA&L. No good reason. Except this was in OTD. I fail to see any viable reason short of attempted drug dealing thru the board/server (DONE THE FUCK BEFORE) or other legal liabilities. being a reson for a ban. For Geordi (unless there were private messages that i don't know about) the reason was fucking scanty. "stop trolling" or however t was phrased, is not a sufficient warning.
Hanky posted some nasty chicken fucking. This is true. Perma ban? Come on. Explain to me why, mod(s). And give me a real debate, not a "he broke the rules" circular reasoning this time.
You're killing the OTD forum thru your support of biased decisions. This may be the goal, but if it isn't, be aware.
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Madweed420shroom
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Thankz go out to Randolph Carter for the body of the above post.
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Anno
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>Perma ban? Come on. Explain to me why, mod(s).
There is a system about how long the ban is.
Fist time: Warning
Second time: A few days ban.
Third time: 14 days ban.
Last time: permanent
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144892 - 05/07/05 01:40 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whats your point?
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144909 - 05/07/05 01:45 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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As i understand it, certain others (Spud being a primary example) have exceeded that limit. When did it go into effect?
And Anno, all prejudices aside, you need to take a serious look at OTD moderation. It is biased.
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Resistance is futile, hes just going to spew some crap about how you clicked i agree to the rules when you joined, and in that agreement it says you wont be overly offensive, i got the speech back in the doggysex avatar days.
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Madweed420shroom
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144922 - 05/07/05 01:52 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anno said: >Perma ban? Come on. Explain to me why, mod(s).
There is a system about how long the ban is.
Fist time: Warning
Second time: A few days ban.
Third time: 14 days ban.
Last time: permanent
Hankys last ban was for a month I believe, was he informed that his next ban would be permenant?
Why is the scat pic that SUPERBLUNT posted, which hanky only quoted still there? Why wasn't superblant banned? Here's the thread i mean....http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4140884/an/0/page/0
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Anno
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>As i understand it, certain others (Spud being a primary example) have exceeded that limit.
Spud has been banned once for posting an offensive image in the Pub. Ban duration 14 days. He is on thin ice, certainly.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144929 - 05/07/05 01:54 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can we trade spud for hanky?
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Grizz
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144932 - 05/07/05 01:55 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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As for the scat picture - Hanky only quoted someone else who posted it. That same someone was caught last night for puppets - and low and behold - still posting away. That image is still there in the thread - I quoted it myself to point it out.
As for the chicken picture - how many other pictures of people doing unmentionable things to animals will I find if I do a search through OTD? More than the chicken one I can bet.
Whether you chose to believe it or not - moderation in OTD is biased. It's not what you know - its who you know.
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144940 - 05/07/05 02:01 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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psoting an offensive image in the Pub? As opposed to the pic(s) in OTD? PGF got permabanned for a goatse in Spi&Phil.
I fail to see, in either case, where an editing and lay down the law warning would not have sufficed. See the newuser bit for my opinion on those who ignore a serious warning.
I just see so many ways around the problem, especially in OTD. The decision to ban reeks. And, no offense to you, but the decision to permaban is ridding the site of one of its more entertaining and noticable members.
Unless we're under some type of electronic eugenics program, i don't quite get it.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4144943 - 05/07/05 02:03 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I, personally, don't think that posting a picture of two naked hippies that are both consenting adults engaged in a private fetish that is--let's be honest--less offensive than some slaughterhouse work pictures, should be the last straw and the gateway to permabannaged.
Admins, mods, I think that the popular response to this banning informs you of the general OTD community's opinion of this matter. True, you are here to keep us in check. But, you also moderate the site as per the general consensus of what is "tasteful" or "tolerable." Obviously, kiddie porn is disgusting.
But a shitty pic of two relatively forgetable people with a chicken between them--there was no "chicken fuck" pic series--is going to get a user's account deleted?
Come on, now. We're all adults. We're all over 18. We're not advocating masturbating with the pelts of guinea pigs for the texture feel.
I think this matter needs to be thought about in a dispassionate, clear way.
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Grizz
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No PM was sent to Hanky. No warning was given. Nothing. I agree. An editing of the post would have sufficed. However that would have deprived certain people of the pleasure of banning Hanky I guess.
What is highly amusing is that the scat pic is still there.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4144955 - 05/07/05 02:08 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Provide link. If we are to discuss this matter, we need to provide a basis to dispute.
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Grizz
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: GnuBobo]
#4144957 - 05/07/05 02:09 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
GnuBobo said: I, personally, don't think that posting a picture of two naked hippies that are both consenting adults engaged in a private fetish that is--let's be honest--less offensive than some slaughterhouse work pictures, should be the last straw and the gateway to permabannaged.
Exactly. There have been multitudes of shock pics posted - even as recently as this week - that have been vile - yet left alone. One which comes to mind is the guy who was skinned. There have been quite a few others as well. There was also a pic the other week of someone screwing a horse - also a woman giving a dog a blow job. Again - these were left alone. Where is the consistancy? If the moderation was always the same then it would be a different matter - yet the up and down manner of which OTD is moderated reeks of favouritism and lack of being impartial.
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Anno
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>Unless we're under some type of electronic eugenics program, i don't quite get it.
This seems to be the case.
Again, nobody (except of an occasional spammer, scammer or puppet) gets a permanent ban out of blue on their first offense. There has to be a history of repeated rule breaking for this to happen. As it is the case with hanky in this case. He is neither the first nor probably the last person who pushed it this far. Some people just don't seem to know when to stop. And as long this is the case, there will be poeple who will get permabanned and there will be poeple who are going to complain about it.
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Grizz
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4144732
No doubt it will mysteriously dissapear shortly.
oh and note that a mod also had posted in that thread and didn't remove it.
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144972 - 05/07/05 02:15 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Which offense is he banned for Anno? The scat that someone else posted or 2 hippies getting friendly with a chicken?
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4144979 - 05/07/05 02:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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He is permabanned for repeatedly posting pictures that are against the rules of either the OTD or the Pub. The last one was the Man-Chicken-sex image.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144985 - 05/07/05 02:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok so if I go through and pull out ALL the shock pics posted by other users and all the animal sex act pics posted by other users are you going to ban those who have posted them also?
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Anno
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4144996 - 05/07/05 02:27 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Feel free to hit the notify moderator button whenever you stumble over a picture that is not in accordance with the rules.
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Grizz
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4144999 - 05/07/05 02:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok and when I find a moderator not banning someone for making puppets - like here for example:
Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:
Tao said: SuperBlunt?
yes.
Users associated with SuperMario:
1. PlatinumCaps logged in 01/03.03:03 2. SuperMario logged in 04/05.10:32
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4126691
What should I do then Anno?
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Anno
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4145002 - 05/07/05 02:31 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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SuperMario is banned.
And to answer your question, PM an administrator in such a case.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4145011 - 05/07/05 02:40 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah he's banned NOW - yet he was not banned after:
a) Being caught with puppets b) Posting scat c) Posting shock pictures in this thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4114098
So why is it that he has 3 offenses in less than a week and is only banned today? His last post was 7 hours ago.
Some of the admin/mods seem to go on a witch hunt at times. And it's not only Hanky - or even users I like - I have seen users I don't like who have been treated more harshly than other users.
Sorry but moderation in OTD is inconsistant and I feel you either need to enforce the rules to EVERYONE or discipline moderators who don't.
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4145015 - 05/07/05 02:45 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anno said:
And to answer your question, PM an administrator in such a case.
And just to add to that - Admins have been informed before when a user does not feel a moderator is moderating properly or fairly and nothing ever happes. Whats the point in that?
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Anno
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4145016 - 05/07/05 02:45 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Please feel free to PM me whenever you find cases of inconsistent moderation. The situation is reviewed on case to case basis and the appropriate measures are taken if required.
Edited by Anno (05/07/05 02:47 AM)
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Grizz
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4145018 - 05/07/05 02:46 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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How about I just tell you here?
I find the fact that Prisoner did not ban Supermario immediately after:
a)posting the scat pic
and
b)finding out he was using a puppet
inconsistant and not of the proper conduct of a moderator. What do you plan to do about it?
-------------------- Prisoner#1: Hanky doesn't send PMs to retards UncleLuke: That's not true. Hanky has sent me a total of 3 PMs.
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Anno
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4145023 - 05/07/05 02:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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>How about I just tell you here?
This is not good, as I won't reply you here.
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Grizz
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4145033 - 05/07/05 02:55 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Done.
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Irishdrunk
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4145087 - 05/07/05 03:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno if the mod who perma banned him changes his mind theres a chance Hanky could return after a suspension? Would you be ok with that? Or you want hanky permabanned as well?
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4145852 - 05/07/05 11:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno, I have a question for you.
How can a user solicit drugs over pm, and not suffer any consequences, while someone who repeatedly posts explicit pictures gets a permaban? It just doesn't make a bit of sense.
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Anno
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4145939 - 05/07/05 11:40 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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> Wow can a user solicit drugs over pm, and not suffer any consequences
Who, when, what?
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spud
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4146174 - 05/07/05 12:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've been banned far more than 3 times.
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Redstorm
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4146322 - 05/07/05 12:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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2experimental (Flowstone) pm'd users about trading drugs. The only thing that happened was that he stopped using that account and created another. This was a huge deal, and I'm positive it was brought to the Admin's attention.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4146344 - 05/07/05 12:41 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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you need an unbiased mod.
I have made 3 threads in otd, while I see others with more, and yet I get a warning?
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4146345 - 05/07/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry redstorm, didnt mean to reply to you, but yeah, you need to be mod, and get the hand that rocks the cradle out of there.
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Redstorm
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Jim]
#4146353 - 05/07/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's ok. I figured you didn't mean to reply to me.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4146542 - 05/07/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is there any way I can use my sponsor super-powers to get Hanky unbanned?
that guy really adds to the flavor and character of the otd forum...
without hanky, OTD is just TD... Tepid Discourse...
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Jim
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how much do you pay a month.. isnt it like $400? I'd say thats leverage.
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you could always withdraw your sponsorship, that would say something words can't.
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MikeOLogical
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naw, threatening to revoke my sponsorship, that would be a seriously low-class move...
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even threatening to do that... they could just take your sponsorship away.
after getting high and writing a few scripts, it came to me that they can just ban anyone for any reason. This is not a democracy, this is a privately owned website. they can bring the ban hammer on to anyone who voices a complaint.
but what stops them?
-------------------- Use the Fucking Reply To Feature You Lazy Pieces of Shit! afoaf said: Jim, if you were in my city, I would let you fuck my wife.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Jim]
#4146988 - 05/07/05 02:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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what stops them is they don't wish to have any major disruptions. (such as we have seen today with hanky's banning)
But what they should consider is that if they ran "their" website in a less tyrannical way, there would be far fewer such disruptions.
perma-bans should be for legal reasons only. Regular/less-serious violations should have a 1-2 week ban cap on them.
that's like getting the death penalty for shitting on the sidewalk.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4147503 - 05/07/05 03:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
grizz said: Ok and when I find a moderator not banning someone for making puppets - like here for example:
Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:
Tao said: SuperBlunt?
yes.
Users associated with SuperMario:
1. PlatinumCaps logged in 01/03.03:03 2. SuperMario logged in 04/05.10:32
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4126691
What should I do then Anno?
should we ban all puppet accounts?
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NO! I'm still very pissed at whoever banned Elmo.
oh, and yeah, free hanky.
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If you revoked your sponsorship over this, I'd put your banner as my sig. Same goes for any of the sponsors. I'm sure a lot of other users would do the same.
(I'd start actually posting too)
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dblaney
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4147870 - 05/07/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I normally try to stay out of these kinds of things, but I do think the banning was a bit of an over-reaction. Granted I don't know the whole story, there could be more to both sides, but from what I saw, it did seem like a bit of an overreaction.
Of all the offenses he could have committed, this is relatively minor, and even if it happened a number of times, he's a valuable member of the community...I would think no more than a few week ban would be logical.
Here's a thought: put it to a vote, see what the general consensus is. I for one would be willing to go along with whatever the majority votes for.
Anyways, and to all
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Smallworlds
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4147910 - 05/07/05 06:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno said: >Perma ban? Come on. Explain to me why, mod(s).
There is a system about how long the ban is.
Fist time: Warning
Second time: A few days ban.
Third time: 14 days ban.
Last time: permanent
That system sucks. It should be and could be more like this..
Fist time: Warning
Second time: A few days ban.
Third and each subsequent time: 14 days ban.
With permanant bans given to those who deal drugs on the server, hack the server, or commit other serious violations meaning violations that could ammount to actual harm to the website or its members.
Wouldn't that be a much more enlightened sort of policy?
All you are doing with the "system" you have now is showing that magic mushrooms havent helped the administration here any.
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: dblaney]
#4147937 - 05/07/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea i mean hanky's humor was a bit abrasive, but hes still the loveable little scamp of otd.
Not being much of an otder my self but frequenting their alot. I have to say is. FREE HANKY!!!! ATTICA ATTICA!!! FREE HANKY!!!
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Smallworlds
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Prisoner#1 said: should we ban all puppet accounts?
You're a moderator and you don't know that puppets aren't allowed???!!
Incredible.
Na, just keep on banning just the ones you don't like I guess...
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Rose
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Ever heard of a grow puppet? Or identity death? Puppets are allowed more than you think.
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Smallworlds
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Rose]
#4148052 - 05/07/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I'm sure pris wasn't asking if he should go delete all the grow puppets.
The main issue I have is with the perma-ban thing for relatively minor/trivial violations.
Of course, no-one should be allowed to run around here with 8465285 identities either.
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Prisoner#1
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Quote:
Smallworlds said:
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Prisoner#1 said: should we ban all puppet accounts?
You're a moderator and you don't know that puppets aren't allowed???!! Incredible. Na, just keep on banning just the ones you don't like I guess...
well here's the issue with that, gum_clinic/loki/paid/ganga, you_suck, Geordi and many of the other people that post here will then be banned, half the people I have banned were people that I like, I've actualy resisted banning several that I dont like on may occasions just because of the drama that I know will be started, "you didnt like XXX so you banned him".
I hold some people to a little higher standard than others, those that express that they dont like me I expect certain behaviors out of, those that claim to be my friend I expect better from, if they have any respect for me then they would not put me in the position where I felt a ban was in order.
Hanky has always shown me respect and a great deal of consideration, you guys dont have a clue how much it does bother me to ban him for something that I dont see as being offensive, unfortunately other do see it as such and in light of that fact, I'm obligated to handle it out of respect for those users.
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Smallworlds
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do you believe he should have been banned permanantly? who made the decision to ban him permanantly? was it anno, or an admin vote, or who?
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Redstorm
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It's such a fucking joke that he is banned indefinitely. As was stated earlier, permabans should be reserved for those who actually harm the site.
A permaban for something as petty as his actions were is absurd. There's absolutely no logic behind it.
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4148577 - 05/07/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Especially when you consider he did not post scat and that he genuinely didn't think the chicken picture was a bannable offense considering some of the other OTD content.
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Redstorm
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Grizz]
#4148588 - 05/07/05 10:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter anyways. No matter the amount of times a user is banned for scat, it should never reach a permabanned.
The admins system of banning is fucked b/c it doesn't take the triviality offense into account.
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Smallworlds
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4148605 - 05/07/05 10:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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like I said, it's like getting the death penalty for shitting on the sidewalk
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Prisoner#1
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Smallworlds said: do you believe he should have been banned permanantly?
I believe that we should all live in a society without rules and laws, a self governing society, unfortunately some people are unable to govern themselves and ruin it for other people.
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who made the decision to ban him permanantly? was it anno, or an admin vote, or who?
the administrators, they set guidelines on disciplineary actions, the guidelines aer simply being followed, the 'indefinate ban' is not necisarily permanent, much of it depends on hanky and the rest will lay on our shoulders, how we behave in this situation will have some bearing in the decision making, it works the same way with rules, they dont start making rules unless someone decide to do something thats quite disrespectful, threats are a prime example if no one had ever made one, the rule wouldnt be in place.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Redstorm]
#4148675 - 05/07/05 10:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: It's such a fucking joke that he is banned indefinitely. As was stated earlier, permabans should be reserved for those who actually harm the site.
how many times do you have to tell a kid no for the same thing before you have to pop them on the butt to get their attention, 'indefinite' has gotten everyones attention
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Gijith
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Yeah, you don't kill them.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Gijith]
#4148691 - 05/07/05 10:56 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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"kill the first and the rest will start listening"
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Redstorm
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Redstorm said: It's such a fucking joke that he is banned indefinitely. As was stated earlier, permabans should be reserved for those who actually harm the site.
how many times do you have to tell a kid no for the same thing before you have to pop them on the butt to get their attention, 'indefinite' has gotten everyones attention
There is a difference between indefinitely and a static 2 or 3 week ban for repeat offenders of moderate offenses. This is what the policy SHOULD be.
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Psychoslut
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Anno]
#4148866 - 05/07/05 11:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anno said: >Unless we're under some type of electronic eugenics program, i don't quite get it.
This seems to be the case.
Again, nobody (except of an occasional spammer, scammer or puppet) gets a permanent ban out of blue on their first offense. There has to be a history of repeated rule breaking for this to happen. As it is the case with hanky in this case. He is neither the first nor probably the last person who pushed it this far. Some people just don't seem to know when to stop. And as long this is the case, there will be poeple who will get permabanned and there will be poeple who are going to complain about it.
That post makes me want to go pick up some beer.
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I really couldn't care less if hanky's banned.
However,
Good job on banning superblunt in a timely fashion! And mods/admins, thanks for deleting the ratings after many requests and "will do's".
Perma-banned for a picture? And people frolick around trading drugs on your site? What are you more worried about? Don't you talk to lawyers about shit like this?
Ever consider a different moderator if the OTD community is so outspoken about an issue? From the posts I see (and no offense P#1, I think you're a good guy) P#1 isn't popular there.
So wtf?
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Adden]
#4151044 - 05/08/05 07:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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s2dope said: From the posts I see (and no offense P#1, I think you're a good guy) P#1 isn't popular there.
no offense taken but realize that those that dont like me or the job I'm doing are almost all people that fear that they'll be banned, the same people that are causing the problems or violating the rules I'm supposed to uphold, the remainder of those that dont like me are the ones that are friends with the others.
simply put, if people follow the rules that are lax in enforcement, then there is nothing to worry about and everyone can have fun including me.
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dblaney
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Prisoner#1 said: "kill the first and the rest will start listening"
I can't tell if you're serious, but if you are...then
With all due respect, scapegoating people an antiquated practice. If you want respect, then you ought to give out respect, and treat people fairly and equally. If you ban some people for certain transgressions, and not others, then you would be no different than most of the American police. (This was a valid arugment presented earlier, and I didn't see a good response to this, although I would love to be proved wrong, so please do correct me if you did/do treat others with the same treatment you gave hanky).
The Shroomery is like one big happy family. Kicking someone out of it forever shouldn't be considered unless they've done something heinous (or illegal).
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: dblaney]
#4151244 - 05/08/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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dblaney18 said:
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Prisoner#1 said: "kill the first and the rest will start listening"
With all due respect, scapegoating people an antiquated practice. If you want respect, then you ought to give out respect, and treat people fairly and equally.
well, maybe you should go through some of the thread, you'll learn that I view respect as something earned, I do give people respect it's one of my top priorities here and in real life, if I'm cutting up and offend someone, I apologuise and make it a point not to do it again, there is no scape goating going on, if someone is a little out of line it's easily overlooked, if some one continues they are asked to stop, I've given hundreds of warnings and in cases where they've been misinterpreted I've made it a point to clarify it and do my best to make sure it is polite.
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If you ban some people for certain transgressions, and not others, then you would be no different than most of the American police. (This was a valid arugment presented earlier, and I didn't see a good response to this, although I would love to be proved wrong, so please do correct me if you did/do treat others with the same treatment you gave hanky).
unfortunately it's not entirely valid, I am lax in the enforcement of most rules in OTD, certain things are guaranteed to get an instant ban others will get you a warning either in the forum in the form of a "stop that" and other warnings go out as a PM, I try and maintain consistancy in the actions I take, I could care less if some one is a friend or not, if you are a friend and commit some of these violations than I view it a little harsher than someone that is not, a friend would have the consideration not to put me into the postition to have to take some action against them
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The Shroomery is like one big happy family. Kicking someone out of it forever shouldn't be considered unless they've done something heinous (or illegal).
try telling that to the trols that reside in OTD, some enjoy a wide range of problem causing like posting personal info and photos of other in the forum, posting shock pics that they know are a violation of the rules, ganging up on the less popular members or those that they feel just dont belong there some people see what I do as being heavy handed and when compared to the absentee mods and those that are willing to let virtualy any thing go, I am but there has to be a point in which shit needs to stop, if I'm not the one that is stopping it, no one will be.
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Psychoslut
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im glad to see the kitty is back.
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dblaney
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Thanks for the clarification, I think I have a better idea where you're coming from, and it's respectible...the vibes I got from most of the posts gave me the impression that you were some hardheaded nitwit who hasn't anything better to do than ban people for trivial offenses. Glad to see you aren't.
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l0k1
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: dblaney]
#4390164 - 07/10/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.dmtworld.org/showthread.php?p=2988#post2988
if i'm not mistaken, he's been getting his bullshit fix elsewhere
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Burke Dennings
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: l0k1]
#4390290 - 07/10/05 05:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you register just to say that?
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Hanky
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: l0k1]
#4391270 - 07/11/05 12:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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l0k1 said: http://www.dmtworld.org/showthread.php?p=2988#post2988
if i'm not mistaken, he's been getting his bullshit fix elsewhere
That's not me. It's SPIFFO AKA LAMBLANCER posting using the name hanky. I wondered why he made a post about the site in OTD.
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spiffo
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: Hanky]
#4391465 - 07/11/05 03:42 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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cranky and slimey all i have to say to you is
"i plead not guilty"
now get over it and stop whining like little bitches
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Hanky
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Re: Hankys ban? [Re: spiffo]
#4391543 - 07/11/05 05:05 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why did you start making posts about DMT world in otd?
Why would you come straight to this thread if not to check on your puppet "l0k1"????
You're an imbicile.
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