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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
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It's worth it though


:thumbup: :grin:


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
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Gr8fulJ420 said:
ricyjo said:
Someone needs to:

1 Download every single Grateful Dead show in .shn format from archive.org via FTP.

2 Extract, then convert the .shn's directly to 160kb/s mp3's.

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5 Then offer to do the motherload of B&P's by cloning the entire disk.
Result: A Grateful Dead music library at your fingertips!!
volunteers?


Converting SHNs or FLACs to MP3 and then distributing them is baaaaad. A major faux-pas in the world of digital music trading. The reason SHNs and FLACs are used is because it compresses the audio but doesn't shortchange the sound the way MP3 does. It's fine enough to convert your own shows so you can put them on you mp3 player or burn them to mp3 CDs for your use... but putting them into cicrulation.... that's a no-no.


shortchange the sound? ...

sampling shows that are already inferior in quality at 160000 times per second does not shortchange the sound...

only robots can tell the difference. also, there are VBR mp3's at audioarchive as it is....*shudders*

besides, do you think people that love the dead that are not technically saavy really care?

Whats worse is, people downloading the shows then distributing truly low quality mp3's (96-128 kb/s) with innaccurate meta information (or none at all).

There is software available that sets permissions on files that prevent duplication, sharing, and editing... essentially 'read-only' files.

any suggestions?

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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: ricyjo]
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yes, you can tell the difference, maybe not every time, but it all comes down to 'knowing' the difference... Especialy when burned to cd.

the vbr mp3's are great, for personal use, sampling, and ease of download... but for the people who want to create a library of complete, high quality shows, you want to start with the best source possible...


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Phychotron]
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Phychotron said:
yes, you can tell the difference, maybe not every time, but it all comes down to 'knowing' the difference... Especialy when burned to cd.

the vbr mp3's are great, for personal use, sampling, and ease of download... but for the people who want to create a library of complete, high quality shows, you want to start with the best source possible...


agreed, but the best possible source takes up way too much room and the difference is not that great.

and what about people that don't have high speed internet?
download a show at 56k every 7 days which may or may not be a good show in the first place?!

lets not spread good music because were anal retentive about quality?
that's missing the whole point of the music in the first place imho.

im doing it anyway because I don't have a life... wanna fight about it?

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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: ricyjo]
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they have b+p action at etree. all shn. with todays technology, and a lot of people having dvd burners, it's going to make the b+p deals much better with spreading high quality shows.

the only problem i have with mp3's is the misnaming, and mislableing of the files... that's what is great about the shn's... it's like the people said "were keeping right because we know better"... with mp3's, you get them thrown all over the place, people will start to trade partial shows, say user X has the complete show, and shares it via p2p.... user Y see's this, and is like "wow, cool, but i want only half the songs there" so when user Z checks out user Y's files, he's like "wow, cool, but where's the rest?"

that's whats great about shn, is that mainly the people that are ready for the responcibility to maintain the origionality and completeness of shows use it, and it makes them more a trustworth a source... not everyone has the time to check and research every show, it's just too much. ANd it REALLY sucks trying to fill in the gaps to that 1 show that you just cant get ouf of your head.


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Gr8fulJ420]
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I just downloaded a Dead show from gdlive.com and the file is a .shn file. I don't know how to play this and I don't know how to convert it to mp3.





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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
I just downloaded a Dead show from gdlive.com and the file is a .shn file. I don't know how to play this and I don't know how to convert it to mp3.








you can listen to that .shn file without converting it by using winamp and this plugin for winamp:

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=ShnAmp

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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: ricyjo]
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shn > *


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Learyfan]
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You can use Shorten to uncompress it into an mp-3


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: ricyjo]
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ricyjo said:
Learyfan said:
I just downloaded a Dead show from gdlive.com and the file is a .shn file. I don't know how to play this and I don't know how to convert it to mp3.








you can listen to that .shn file without converting it by using winamp and this plugin for winamp:

http://wiki.etree.org/index.php?page=ShnAmp



No shit!....thanks


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Ripple]
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Ripple said:
You can use Shorten to compress it into an mp-3



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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Ripple]
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anything from may '77 is quite nice:smirk:


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Ripple]
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Ripple said:
You can use Shorten to uncompress it into an mp-3


Do you have a link to Shorten?





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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Learyfan]
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stanley theatre september 26th and 28th 72'. they are both on archive. They are the day before and after DP 11, its one of my favorites and they are just as good quality..check them out


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said:
Ripple said:
You can use Shorten to uncompress it into an mp-3


Do you have a link to Shorten?






Google it, it's free.


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Ripple]
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http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=13297

Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: September 11th, 1974
Venue: Alexandra Palace
Location: London, EN

Scarlet Begonias, Mexicali Blues, Brown Eyed Women, Beat It On Down The Line, Sugaree, Jack Straw, Row Jimmy, Me And Bobby McGee, Tennessee Jed, Big River, It Must Have Been The Roses, Playin' In The Band Phil & Ned*-> Jam-> Eyes Of The World-> Jam-> Wharf Rat, Around And Around, Ship Of Fools, Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad, Sugar Magnolia, E: U.S. Blues


http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12252

Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: February 26th, 1977
Venue: Swing Auditorium
Location: San Bernardino, CA

Terrapin Station, Minglewood Blues, They Love Each Other, Estimated Prophet, Sugaree, Mama Tried, Deal, Playing In The Band > The Wheel > Playing In The Band Samson & Delilah, Tennessee Jed, The Music Never Stopped, Help On The Way-> Slipknot!-> Franklin's Tower, Promised Land, Eyes Of The World-> Dancin' In The Streets-> Around & Around, E: U.S. Blues



http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12004

Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: July 7th, 1978
Venue: Red Rocks Amphitheatre
Location: Morrison, CO



Jack Straw, Candyman, Me & My Uncle-> Big River, Friend Of The Devil, Cassidy, Tennessee Jed, Passenger, Peggy-O, The Music Never Stopped Cold Rain & Snow, Beat It On Down The Line, Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain, Dancin' In The Streets-> Drums-> Not Fade Away-> Nobody's Fault But Mine-> Not Fade Away-> Black Peter-> Around & Around, E:U.S. Blues, E: Johnny B. Goode




http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12005

Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: July 8th, 1978
Venue: Red Rocks Amphitheatre
Location: Morrison, CO

Bertha-> Good Lovin', Dire Wolf, El Paso, It Must Have Been The Roses, Minglewood Blues, Ramble On Rose, Promised Land, Deal Samson & Delilah, Ship of Fools, Estimated Prophet-> The Other One-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Wharf Rat-> Franklin's Tower-> Sugar Magnolia, E:Terrapin Station-> E: One More Saturday Night, E: Werewolves of London




http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12054

Band/Artist: Grateful Dead
Date: December 28th, 1978
Venue: Golden Hall, Community Concorse
Location: San Diego, CA

Sugaree, Finiculi Finicula, Beat It On Down The Line, Dire Wolf, Looks Like Rain, Stagger Lee, Me & My Uncle-> Big River, Candyman, Minglewood Blues, Tennessee Jed, Lazy Lightning-> Supplication Shakedown Street, From The Heart Of Me, Estimated Prophet, Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Truckin'-> Wharf Rat-> Sugar Magnolia, E: Johnny B. Goode



Every single one is a soundboard and high energy/magic/performance in my opinion.

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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Do yourself a favor and start buying Dicks Picks.

My personal favorites so far are 5,13,and 29.

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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: EonTan]
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Try #31

Also a goodie from 74


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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: Ripple]
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GOT IT :smile:

There all great.

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Re: good quality live dead shows [Re: EonTan]
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Yes they are, I was at the Rosevelt field show from that CD.


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