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are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? *DELETED*
    #3739203 - 02/06/05 02:13 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: ]
    #3739221 - 02/06/05 02:17 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

no.

if we were reincarnated then we'd have improved by now instead of killing each other; otherwise known as hate...

don't believe in superstitions my friend. it will only cloud your mind.

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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: ]
    #3739388 - 02/06/05 03:07 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The first time I broke through on salvia, I thought I was the paint on the wall. I doubt that that was a past life of mine.


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Silversoul]
    #3739435 - 02/06/05 03:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

they are DEFINITELY proof of something. exactly what that is i am still trying to figure out.

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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? *DELETED* [Re: Silversoul]
    #3739441 - 02/06/05 03:24 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: ]
    #3739690 - 02/06/05 05:00 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

so hard to talk about sally d trips,
no idea whats happening during my experinces.
strange!


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: butterflydawn]
    #3740029 - 02/06/05 07:52 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It's possible, I thought I was a dog at one point. I had dog memories and everything, i had some nice owners. But that was after a LOT of salvia...


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Woland]
    #3740099 - 02/06/05 08:34 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

My hound dog sure has a lot of saliva...


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Swami]
    #3740615 - 02/06/05 12:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

*drools*


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Gomp]
    #3740751 - 02/06/05 01:20 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the salvia trips are proof of mentation only.
that means you can rejoice that the mental system operates.

if you observe carefully you learn how the mental system operates.

until you get more familiar with how it operates it is hard (impossible) to tell which experiences are full of information and which experiences are constructions or to what degree.

there is really very little difference, so you need to cultivate an attitude that is open to the likelihood that your interpretation is erroneous, but your experience stands on its own as what it was.


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3741216 - 02/06/05 03:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I believe memories are stored in our genetic codes. Sometimes we tap into the memories of our ancestors. When someone discovers a past life during hypnosis, etc., they are possibly tapping into the past lives of ancestors. Another theory of mine is that we are open to influence by other spirits during hypnotic states, and we see things that they experienced. Finally, I believe we have existed in some form for eternity, and we have experienced many things prior to this mortal existence. We at times recall memories from those premortal experiences.

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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: orichalc]
    #3741248 - 02/06/05 03:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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orichalc said:
no.

if we were reincarnated then we'd have improved by now instead of killing each other; otherwise known as hate...

don't believe in superstitions my friend. it will only cloud your mind.




That isn't much of an argument.
It could be replied like this: the good people and spiritual people had more incarnations than the bad people


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #3741302 - 02/06/05 03:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We share 95% of our genetic code with cats.


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Supernova]
    #3741312 - 02/06/05 03:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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I believe memories are stored in our genetic codes. Sometimes we tap into the memories of our ancestors. When someone discovers a past life during hypnosis, etc., they are possibly tapping into the past lives of ancestors. Another theory of mine is that we are open to influence by other spirits during hypnotic states, and we see things that they experienced. Finally, I believe we have existed in some form for eternity, and we have experienced many things prior to this mortal existence. We at times recall memories from those premortal experiences.



you can believe that but it was proven wrong in the early 1970's
there are no ways to store memory in dna or express them in rna
those are cellular domain delvelopmental channels

after grinding up thousands of rat brains they found that
memory is stored and expressed all accross the brain using faster electrochemical changes and non-inherited wound type growth.
(i.e. each new memory is a pattern of about 10-1000 microscopic mini-scars facilitating nerve conduction and hence recall when part of the image reccurs => associative learning)


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3741337 - 02/06/05 03:51 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the salvia trips are proof of mentation only.
that means you can rejoice that the mental system operates.

if you observe carefully you learn how the mental system operates.

until you get more familiar with how it operates it is hard (impossible) to tell which experiences are full of information and which experiences are constructions or to what degree.

there is really very little difference, so you need to cultivate an attitude that is open to the likelihood that your interpretation is erroneous, but your experience stands on its own as what it was.




As a spiritual person, I believe that the mind (physical body) and the spirit are hopelessly entwined in this life. How else could one be spiritual without using the physical body as a tool?


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3741527 - 02/06/05 04:37 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
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supernova said:
I believe memories are stored in our genetic codes. Sometimes we tap into the memories of our ancestors. When someone discovers a past life during hypnosis, etc., they are possibly tapping into the past lives of ancestors. Another theory of mine is that we are open to influence by other spirits during hypnotic states, and we see things that they experienced. Finally, I believe we have existed in some form for eternity, and we have experienced many things prior to this mortal existence. We at times recall memories from those premortal experiences.



you can believe that but it was proven wrong in the early 1970's
there are no ways to store memory in dna or express them in rna
those are cellular domain delvelopmental channels

after grinding up thousands of rat brains they found that
memory is stored and expressed all accross the brain using faster electrochemical changes and non-inherited wound type growth.
(i.e. each new memory is a pattern of about 10-1000 microscopic mini-scars facilitating nerve conduction and hence recall when part of the image reccurs => associative learning)




I hear ya vines. But I'm not a rat. And I don't have rat genes. The study of rats is helpful, but the leap from rat to human is a far stretch.

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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Supernova]
    #3741696 - 02/06/05 05:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

the difference between the rat memory system and human is quantity and capacity (complexity is the result of those) not quality or method of storage.

the method predates mammals.


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Woland]
    #3741710 - 02/06/05 05:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Woland said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the salvia trips are proof of mentation only.
that means you can rejoice that the mental system operates.

if you observe carefully you learn how the mental system operates.

until you get more familiar with how it operates it is hard (impossible) to tell which experiences are full of information and which experiences are constructions or to what degree.

there is really very little difference, so you need to cultivate an attitude that is open to the likelihood that your interpretation is erroneous, but your experience stands on its own as what it was.




As a spiritual person, I believe that the mind (physical body) and the spirit are hopelessly entwined in this life. How else could one be spiritual without using the physical body as a tool?




not arguing with you at all about that.
the connection between mind and body may be less mysterious than we might wish.

a great premise is that we are spirit using body - but
allow that elaborations on that might be erroneous, still you can certainly work with the premise as if it were bonafide.


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: SWEDEN]
    #3741750 - 02/06/05 05:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We share 95% of our genetic code with cats.
Do we REALLY need to know what goes on in the privacy of your home? :humpme:

*Swami dials A.S.P.C.A.*


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Re: are the really deep salvia experiences proof of past lives/ reincarnation? [Re: Swami]
    #3741958 - 02/06/05 06:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I've had a vision of an apache running on the land. That was one of my reincarnated selves, or unless that was my spirit guide.


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