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U.S. Replaces Memo on Torture with New Guidelines
    #3563940 - 12/31/04 02:41 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department released a new memo on Friday to replace a controversial document outlining how to avoid violating U.S. and international terror statutes while interrogating prisoners.

In a Dec. 30 memorandum, released early on Friday, the department stepped back from an August 2002 memo that said only the most severe types of torture were not permissible under U.S. and international agreements against torture.

The new memo was more broad in its definition of what could be considered torture, and therefore what was unacceptable under U.S. law and under the United Nations Convention Against Torture.

The new memorandum was released on a federal holiday, just one week before White House legal counsel Alberto Gonzales -- to whom the August 2002 memo was addressed -- was to appear before the Senate for confirmation hearings. Gonzales has been nominated by President Bush to be the new Attorney General.

The August 2002 memo was withdrawn and the new one written after a public outcry over the summer when the August 2002 memo and other documents regarding the interrogation and treatment of Iraqi and al Qaeda prisoners were made public.

Bush has said he never ordered torture but secret documents released in June showed that interrogation methods approved for use at Guantanamo Bay, where prisoners from the U.S. war on terror are held, once included the use of dogs to induce fear.

The documents showed Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in December 2002 approved harsh interrogation techniques for Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo, only to rescind many of those weeks later and approve less aggressive techniques in April 2003.

Behind many of the techniques approved and used on prisoners was the August 2002 memo to Gonzales from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel discussing how far the interrogation could go before it could be considered torture.

The new memo, written by the Office of Legal Counsel but addressed to Deputy Attorney General James Comey, acknowledged problems with the August document which dissected the definition of torture.

Under international law, torture is defined as an act specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering.

"Questions have since been raised ... about the appropriateness and relevance of the non-statutory discussion in the August 2002 Memorandum," the Dec. 30 memo said

In particular, the Dec. 30 memo disagrees with the statement that "severe" pain under the terror statute was limited to pain "equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death."
The new document also disagreed that "severe" pain is limited to "excruciating and agonizing" pain.

It also disagreed with the detailed discussion in the August memo defining the precise meaning of "specific intent."

"In light of the president's directive that the United States not engage in torture, it would not be appropriate to rely on parsing the specific intent element of the statute to approve as lawful conduct that might otherwise amount to torture," it said.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=7212065


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Re: U.S. Replaces Memo on Torture with New Guidelines [Re: 2Experimental]
    #3564222 - 12/31/04 04:58 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"Bush has said he never ordered torture but secret documents released in June showed that interrogation methods approved for use at Guantanamo Bay, where prisoners from the U.S. war on terror are held, once included the use of dogs to induce fear. "

I'm sorry, but if that's the best they can come up with.. that's really, really weak. wow.


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Re: U.S. Replaces Memo on Torture with New Guidelines [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3566774 - 12/31/04 11:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

and you think they are allowed to disclose the REAL methods used in an article? I doubt it.. Interrogation is high tech now a day.. they hook you up to a machine and take you to the limit of pain and death..dogs is a ploy tactic! Of course Bush won't claim ownership or say he ordered the torture.. But did they ask him if his cronies ordered it?


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