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Offlineekomstop
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So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom'..
    #3183644 - 09/26/04 09:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

To quote Bush: "They hate our freedoms--our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."

Then why is the government basically giving in to the terrorists, by helping them effectively take away our freedoms? ie the patriot act, domestic security enhancement act..the 'victory' act..ect?

Doesn't the patriot act sound like the complete oposite of what a real patriot would do?


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom'.. [Re: ekomstop]
    #3183653 - 09/26/04 09:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

America is hated for what it does, not for what it is.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3183668 - 09/26/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Have you even tried to read the Patriot Act?


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Zahid]
    #3183670 - 09/26/04 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Confirming the fact that Bush is either completely ignorant and/or an outright liar.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3183676 - 09/26/04 09:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Link?


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Rose]
    #3183682 - 09/26/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Bush says that everytime he has a point to make.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3183696 - 09/26/04 09:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Great_Satan said:
Have you even tried to read the Patriot Act?




No, I haven't really felt a need to read it, especially since I live in Canada..but I do know that I read that most of members of congress said that they wern't even allowed to read it beforehand, they were just told to pass it.

And before I get shit on for that comment, here is a source:

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul72.html
Yet despite these serious constitutional questions, few if any members of Congress read the 500-page Patriot Act prior to voting on it!


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Zahid]
    #3183697 - 09/26/04 09:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I know... I know.

Ekom just has a habbit of posting stuff without links. I think he should get in the habbit of posting them.

Since my last post wasn'r really related to this thread, I am sorry for the confusion.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3183699 - 09/26/04 09:50 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Great_Satan said:
Have you even tried to read the Patriot Act?




Have you?


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Rose]
    #3183704 - 09/26/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yes..I am slowly learning the ways of the pa&l.. here is a source for that quote: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3183708 - 09/26/04 09:52 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you.

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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Rose]
    #3183729 - 09/26/04 09:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, and yeah. The Patriot Act serves to take away the civil rights of Americans.

It really hasn't been abused too much yet, but the American Government has the right to watch Americans like they never did before.

The Patriot Act was put in place to protect Americans from terrorist attacks and, since America hasn't been attacked since 9-11, a lot of people say the Patriot Act is working.

America wigged out in a similar manor after Pearl Harbor.

I have yet to see any evidence the Patriot Act has done much good, nor have I seen evidence it causes much harm... yet.

If I had my way, we'd have no Patriot Act in America.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: Rose]
    #3183779 - 09/26/04 10:09 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Just wait until they get rid of the Posse Comitatus act and pass the domestic security enhancement act (patriot act II) once they engineer their next 'terrorist' attack. (maybe before the elections as Bush and friends have been publicly anticipating for some time..their transparency truely astounds me)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040923/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq

This is nice:

Bush and Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, standing in the Rose Garden under a bright sun, agreed that Iraq is making steady progress despite bombings, beheadings and violence that has claimed the lives of more than 1,000 Americans.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3183791 - 09/26/04 10:13 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Seems the "violence that has claimed the lives of more than 1,000 Americans" might be a tad misleading aswell..

Press Reports on U.S. Casualties: About 17,000 Short, UPI Says


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3183808 - 09/26/04 10:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

That's good news.  :thumbup:


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184326 - 09/27/04 12:22 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No, I haven't really felt a need to read it, especially since I live in Canada..but I do know that I read that most of members of congress said that they wern't even allowed to read it beforehand, they were just told to pass it.

And before I get shit on for that comment, here is a source:

http://www.antiwar.com/paul/paul72.html
Yet despite these serious constitutional questions, few if any members of Congress read the 500-page Patriot Act prior to voting on it!




Thats bullshit, pure bullshit. The link you gave does not even say anything similar to what you posted. We all know quite a few congressmen passed the act without reading it such as John Kerry but that is due to their laziness and ignorance not that they were forced.


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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ekomstop]
    #3184331 - 09/27/04 12:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

ekomstop said:
Doesn't the patriot act sound like the complete oposite of what a real patriot would do?




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    #3184388 - 09/27/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: So if the 'Terrorists' hate 'us' because of our 'freedom [Re: ]
    #3184412 - 09/27/04 12:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Fiend said:
:rolleyes:

If Kerry is lazy so is every single other senator.  Because not a single one of them read it in it's entirety.

That's a commentary on something being seriously wrong with the way congress holds their preceedings, not on a specific member of congress' work ethic or alck thereof.




I said many congressmen including kerry. What is so hard to understand about that. If you are going to have a job, you better do it to its fullest. So yes ever single senator is lazy as i see it in this instance.

Jesus, what the fuck happened to reading comprehension in schools?  :rolleyes:


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