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Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW!
    #311511 - 05/07/01 06:40 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

AFOAF just wanted to share his experiences....

11 days ago, 5 1" straight verm casings were prepared with 1 pint BRF substrate. They were incubated in darkness at 86 degrees with saran wrap over them. No growth was spotted until 4 days later, and it was sparse and stringy. A week and a half later, the growth is VERY sparse and thick strings are poking out in spots...a sign of too much moisture even though it was just damp when applied.

4 days ago, AFOAF recieved Gro-Brick cocoa fiber he read about on the shroomery. He crumbled his remaining pints of BRF into tins and cased with about an inch of cocoa fiber. Two days later the casing was almost 30% colonized! He waited a couple of days and decided to initiate pinning on some of his tins. In fact, he was very worried about overlay at this rate....will over colonization of coco result in overlay?

The verm casings that were 1 week ahead of the coco look pathetic in comparison, but a couple were picked to initiate pinning along with the coco. Two days later and the coco looks as if it is forming knots and getting ready... Verm looks lonely and sad.

Should AFOAF recase the verm with coco? Deep scratch?

How long does recasing set you back, and does it work?

Thanks, and will keep updating...



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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Mr. Pink]
    #311517 - 05/07/01 06:47 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Very exciting news, I was following the Cocoa fiber experiments at DD and I think this is possibly one of the big new developments in cultivation in recent years....

Keep us updated, and of course if your friend might have pictures that would also be ultra cool :tongue:

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Thor]
    #311522 - 05/07/01 06:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

AFOAF is getting ready to case some EQs grown on wheat, and some grown on rye. His containers will each have 3 qts of grain and will be cased with 1" of coco fiber. He has 3 more qt jars which are colonizing with Eq as well...with these he plans on spawning some worm castings and casing this with coco fibers as well. Lets keep this information coming and keep posting results! This is very exciting!

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Mr. Pink]
    #311633 - 05/07/01 09:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I went to home-depot, Lowes, and a fancy nusery, anybody know where to find some Coco Fiber in north/middle Georgia?? Thanks




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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Tlaloc]
    #311637 - 05/07/01 09:08 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

check your pet store... it's bedding for pets .. i think lizards...

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: McMan]
    #311846 - 05/08/01 12:00 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Coir fiber is the shit! My PES Hawaiians ripped through it. Its cheap too. Its cheaper if you buy it at a gardening center. Look for it specifically at hydro shops. Do not use Canna brand because they add a trichoderma to their coir. I like to add some hydrated lime and crushed oyster shell to it because it is somewhat acidic.



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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: BrownPastures]
    #311895 - 05/08/01 12:41 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

BrownPastures wrote:::::::::::::
"""check your pet store... it's bedding for pets .. i think lizards... """

THANKS! :D



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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Tlaloc]
    #311911 - 05/08/01 12:57 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Could it be possible to use coco fiber as a verm substitute given current conditions and verm scarcity? It would seem better as it can also provide nutrients, but I have no clue of the complexities of such a substitution. Anyone else?

* The above post is not meant to be the thoughts and/or opinions of the author. I am relaying information for an acquintance and only write in first-person to simplify the process


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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: magnusra]
    #312028 - 05/08/01 03:31 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I was wondering the exact same thing Magnusra....

Could you just replace verm in any old substrate with Coco-Fiber?



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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Tlaloc]
    #312043 - 05/08/01 04:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

be careful about the pet bedding kind. ive read where others have experienced contams w/ the bedding- they hypothesized that some brands (like the lizard bedding) is treated with trich... www.windowbox.com and lots of other places online carry it, or if you have a gardening store that focuses on hydro or orchids, you should be able to find it there (kinda weird, but they have a few of these stores in my hippie town).

HQ's tried the coir substitute in pf tek jars. heres a few links to her comparison pics... (f*ck, will put them up later when i can manage the tags)

the coir takes longer than the verm, but does work... is slowly colonizing.

the coir jar is much more cottony, while the verm jar has more of the rhizomorphic mycelium. (testimony verm is better?) these 2 jars are just for comparison- all of the jars, coir & verm, are visibly different in the *type* and speed of mycelium colonization. (the coir doesnt have condensation- its the jar design).

nothing amazing really... it does work but from this terribly unscientific *experiment*, verm still works better. she talked to someone who had better luck with the coir than she did as far as rates of colonization goes, so perhaps it was just her... she only tried one recipe, and perhaps another would work better?

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Karen]
    #312044 - 05/08/01 04:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I made some PF style cakes with coco fiber instead of vermiculite a fw months ago.
The growth was slower compared to vermiculite, but perhaps due to incorrect water content.

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Anno]
    #312078 - 05/08/01 06:38 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I would think that coco fiber is much more valuble as a casing material than in the substrate. For that, I would stick with the verm.

The casings look great, with incredibly rhizomorphic growth. Little Circular "Blooms" of mycleIium have colonized much of the surface. Should I worry about overlay?

Seems like a match made in heaven, so far. Fingers are crossed as this is my first time.

Do you guys think it would be benefical for me to recase my slow verm casings with coco, or should I just wait it out?



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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Mr. Pink]
    #312141 - 05/08/01 10:06 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

got some ordered, i'll be trying this asap, sounds promising.

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: McMan]
    #312193 - 05/08/01 11:39 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

coco fiber is awesome! its the only stuff i use for casings! if anybody is interested in buying a 14lb Gro Brick, this place carries it for $19.95 --

www.atlantishydroponics.com

p.s. they also carry worm castings which are also killer when you are using grain to spawn.

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Re: Verm vs. Coco Casings....WOW! [Re: Bleuboxo]
    #312312 - 05/08/01 02:33 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Yup, my monkey located some Bed-A-Beast at his local pet supply store and he's found that coir is the cat's ass for casings. Not preferred over verm for substrate material, however.




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