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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: monoamine]
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If I were an American, I'd vote for Badnarik.

However, if the only available options were voting for Kerry, voting for Bush, or not voting at all, I'd vote Bush for the following reasons:

1) Bush's policy on how best to deal with those who have declared war (repeatedly) on the US is superior to Kerry's
2) his tax cuts
3) Kerry is such an appallingly stupid man who seems to have less grasp of how things work in the real world than a substantial percentage of the posters in this forum
4) Kerry has no moral character. He's the quintessential "hollow man"
5) Kerry hasn't the strength of will to handle even the stress of a presidential campaign without disintegrating into hissy fits -- there's no way I can see him having the strength to handle far more stressful situations which will have far more ramifications for people other than himself
6) Bush doesn't let himself get distracted by bad press, negative world opinion, personal attacks by just about everyone, opinion polls, etc. He focuses on his obligations instead

There's probably more, but I really should get back to modding these other posts I haven't read yet.

pinky


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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
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CRAZYFUKR said:
his point being that he will stand for what he stood for then, tomorrow. that is actually a good quality whether you agree with him or not he atleast stands for something and sticks to it. thats all.

Remember when the church used to kill heretics who said the earth was not the center of our solar system?


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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: silversoul7]
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"If someone stands for something I oppose, I'd rather they not stick with it"

but what if you are wrong and someone is right?

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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: Skikid16]
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Skikid16 said:
CRAZYFUKR said:
his point being that he will stand for what he stood for then, tomorrow. that is actually a good quality whether you agree with him or not he atleast stands for something and sticks to it. thats all.

Remember when the church used to kill heretics who said the earth was not the center of our solar system?


Hey, at least they stuck with it.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: CRAZYFUKR]
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CRAZYFUKR said:
"If someone stands for something I oppose, I'd rather they not stick with it"

but what if you are wrong and someone is right?


Then I'm open to someone changing my mind. But I'm not going to admire someone for sticking to an ignorant position just because they're consistent.


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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Phred]
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2) his tax cuts

  Couple those with his increased spending, and you've got a BOOMING economy, until our intrest rates soar through the fucking roof, foreign investors become increasingly frustrated and pull out their money, and our economy REALLY crashes. 

But damn, that three hundred dollars went a long way this year..... :rolleyes:


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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: monoamine]
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Vote for Bush because he is not Kerry, and Kerry is Vietcong loving dickhead of a war criminal!

Just kidding, vote for whichever candidate most represents what you believe in. For me, and I assume many others, that is Libertarian.

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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: silversoul7]
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"Let me get this straight: You'd rather have a man who stands for the wrong things than someone who doesn't stand for anything? "


Exactly.

I hate pandering politicians. Politicians should run on what THEY believe, and if that's what the people believe, they will win.

Kerry is nothing BUT pandering.

Where Bush stands on an issue is fairly clear, and it's very easy to form arguments opposing his position.

Kerry will just tell you he agrees with you, but more. And then he'll tell the other side the same thing. Who the hell knows what he actually WILL do?

I sure don't. Then again, he'll probably get word public opinion is swinging the other way tomorrow, and do the opposite.


See.. the public? They're a bunch of idiots and wankers, and I believe that the President's opinions should not rest on what his pollsters can convince the public to say.

If the public is strongly against something the President believes in, the best course of action for that President would be to do NOTHING, keep true to his own beliefs, and allow some other President later to address the issue.

Kerry wants to be everything to everybody.. Bush is just Bush. I hate people who try to play me for a chump, and will not be voting for Kerry. I'd rather vote for Al Sharpton -- he's a lot more honest with his views than Kerry.


That aside, Kerry's trying to run on the strength that he's not Bush. What kind of pussy-ass kind of candidate is too afraid to state what he thinks? Cowardly. Cowardly to the furthest reaches of cowardly.

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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Phred]
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Dont forget that Kerry has no economical plan. His best offense is trying to increase the hatred for Bush.

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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Phred]
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pinksharkmark said:
1) Bush's policy on how best to deal with those who have declared war (repeatedly) on the US is superior to Kerry's
2) his tax cuts
3) Kerry is such an appallingly stupid man who seems to have less grasp of how things work in the real world than a substantial percentage of the posters in this forum
4) Kerry has no moral character. He's the quintessential "hollow man"
5) Kerry hasn't the strength of will to handle even the stress of a presidential campaign without disintegrating into hissy fits -- there's no way I can see him having the strength to handle far more stressful situations which will have far more ramifications for people other than himself
6) Bush doesn't let himself get distracted by bad press, negative world opinion, personal attacks by just about everyone, opinion polls, etc. He focuses on his obligations instead
pinky


I would agree with that list. I would also agree with Mushmonkey. Bush has substance and resolve. Misguided on some issues? Probably. Backbone and strong will? Absolutely.

To me, tax cuts are good, but they have to be coupled with spending cuts. Everyone seems to like the notion of "smaller government", but nobody has the sack to start cutting the programs. We are a special interest society. I think domestically George Bush is largely a failure.

I am voting for Bush because of the War on Terror. I think it was the right thing to do, and he has made some tough choices. He has the resolve to stick it out. History will reward him for this. I believe that freedom for Iraqis will help change the world. We have made a promise to them, and I belive it is a promise that we should keep.

I would love it if libertarians could rule the world, but in the meantime I will be voting for Bush because of the war.

As far as Kerry goes, I read his 1971 testimony. He sold out the men he fought with for political gain. That is appauling. As a Senator, he accepted funds from the Chinese and sold out our country for political gain. John Forbes Kerry scares me more than any man on earth, because you can't even depend on him to be on our side. George Bush may be an imbecile, but he is at least our imbecile. Right or wrong, he is on our side, and he will fight to defend America.


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Re: Bush voters: Why shouldn't I vote for Kerry? [Re: AhHaHaHa]
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Bush isn't consistent on any of his stances. He said he would renew the assault weapons ban and hes not going to. He said the war in Iraq was about WMDs and now he says its about liberation. He said he didn't believe in nation building and now he does. He said he released all of his military records and come to find out, he didn't. He says hes against big government and out of control spending but he enacted the patriot act and has the largest deficit in history. He said that he would fund No child left behind but he didn't. He said that he wouldn't touch the social security fund but he raided it. He said that he would try diplomatic means and try to build a coalition to confront Iraq and he didn't. He said the Iraq war was going to cost 1.7 billion dollars and in reality it costs 210 billion and going up every day. He said the war was going to be payed for with oil and it isnt. He was in such a rush to go to war, he sent our troops into combat without proper training, supplies, armor, or weaponry.
Bush is a bald faced liar and he changes on almost every issue whether its words spoken or actions taken.


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ash dingy donker mo gollyhopper patty popiton rockstop bueno mayo riggedy jig bobber johnathan pattywhacker gogboob t-shirt monkey.

There is such emotion in the distortion.

Edited by 1stimer (09/09/04 12:35 PM)

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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: AhHaHaHa]
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Dont forget that Kerry has no economical plan. His best offense is trying to increase the hatred for Bush.


Kerry will make sure that the corporate criminals will be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Bush says that they should all do 10 years in jail. 10 years is crazy. 10 frikn years. A lot of these guys should be in the slammer for at least 20-30 years minimum. People wont trust the stock market untill they can trust the investment agencies and the corporations of America. The only way that is going to happen is if there is a president in office who uses his power of authority to make sure these people are brought to justice and the corporate scandals of the Bush presidency aren't repeated. For all we know, corporations still may be running a muck. When people start making real money again in the stock market is when the economy will start to grow. This can't happen under a Bush corporate presidency.

John Kerry has said that he plans on lowering taxes for the middle class and rolling back the tax cuts for the top 2%. We all know that small business get to write off a lot of expenditure come tax day anyway.

John Kerry has said that he will try to end the exportation of American jobs. Bush has not even acknowledged the exportation.

John Kerry wants to fund homeland security so we can be safer at the homeland, as opposed to creating even more terrorists overseas by invading countrys pre-emptively. Kerry believes that wars should be fought out of neccessity, not out of desire. If we went around attacking every country that didnt attack us, we wouldnt have enough people or resources to take on all 188 Countries. Bush's policys would result in infinite debt overextending our military and rebuilding other nations.


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ash dingy donker mo gollyhopper patty popiton rockstop bueno mayo riggedy jig bobber johnathan pattywhacker gogboob t-shirt monkey.

There is such emotion in the distortion.

Edited by 1stimer (09/10/04 09:40 AM)

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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: monoamine]
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bumped for viaggio


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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Phred]
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:lol: Thanks.


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"...yet another in a long series of diversions an attempt to avoid responsibility."

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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Viaggio]
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I'm curious...what attributes, policies, etc do the Bush supporters not like about Bush?

1) I like everything.
2) I simply dislike Kerry more.
3) Well...(insert reasons here).

I'd prefer Bush supporters to reply rather than Kerry supporters. Thanks.


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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Viaggio]
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-- His imposition of steel tariffs to protect the American steel industry was incredibly stupid. Fortunately, he did eventually revoke it, but not before it hurt the US economy, unnecessarily prolonging the recession he inherited.

-- His gigantic expansion of medicare (free prescription drugs for seniors) was even worse. Socialized medicine arrives in the US. Huge bummer, and probably -- unlike the steel tariffs -- not reversible.

-- His refusal to veto spending bills. To be fair to Bush, a very large number of them were veto-proof, but certainly not all of them were.

-- His amnnesty for illegal aliens. Again, to be fair to Bush, there are no perfect solutions to the illegal immigrant problem. However, condoning illegal behavior sure as hell ain't the best way to deal with it.

-- His insistence on letting Libbie lies go unchallenged. He feels that paying any attention to them is a waste of his time and that intelligent people will see them for what they are. Unfortunately, his overestimation of the intelligence of the average American voter may end up biting him on the ass. And if Kerry ends up winning the election because of this, we'll all end up with bitten asses.

pinky


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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: monoamine]
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Government spending, war on drugs, immigration, he could do better on land conservation and the environment. I also get irritated that he often does so little to defend himself and address his critics.

I still think he is of stronger character than Kerry and the majority of his policies I agree with more than Kerry's. IMO even though Bush does spin things a bit and evade questions he is far more in touch with reality than alot of Democrats who to me seem overly zealous, inconsistent, juvenile, hypocritical, and unprincipled.

Lot's of people disagree with this, but I prefer a candidate that is light on the bullshit. Although I don't agree with everything Bush has done I find he doesn't talk that much stupid shit. Kerry and the Democrats seem to be ripe with ridiculous and sophmoric claims and statements.
That's not to say I prefer Bush because he is the lesser of two evils, if there were two Kerry's running I wouldn't vote.

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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Phred]
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I agree with most of Pinky except the immigration and the letting lies stand thing. The lies almost always take care of themselves and the immigration thing is very, very tough. I would definitely add that the god shit drives me nearly over a wall. But then again, they all do it. An atheist's prayer "Dear people, please, just once, let me have someone who doesn't have an imaginary friend run my country."


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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: monoamine]
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of course im not voting for bush...but if i was..my answer would be "because im a nazi fuckhead"...


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Re: Bush voters: Why should I vote for Bush? EDIT [Re: Annapurna1]
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Are you saying that even though you are a nazi fuckhead, you choose not to vote for Bush? But I thought Bush = Hitler!


pinky


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