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OfflineSlapnutRob
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John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses
    #2254954 - 01/20/04 02:56 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

So John Kerry pulled out the most delegates in the Iowa Caucuses, followed by John Edwards, Howard Dean, and then Dick Gephardt (who dropped out, realizing his fate.... Kucinich and Sharpton, your turn!). What's going to happen now? Is John Kerry the front runner again? I personally think Dean still is... unless he loses in New Hampshire, which would be a major upset. Caucuses are just weird and unpredictable.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2255776 - 01/20/04 11:41 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Kerry is one ugly Mo-Fo. I was surprised that he won by the margin he did. I want Dean to win because he wouldn't have a chance of winning, Kerry though not much better has a better chance of beating Bush.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2255973 - 01/20/04 01:06 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

at this point its still too early to tell..but at least gephardt's out..he would have been a repeat of bob dole in 1996...pushing aside the fact that the junta has already guaranteed its reelection via falsified electronic voting (among other constingencies)..my own gut feeling is that it would have to be dean or clark to beat the junta..which will no longer be a junta come next november...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2255996 - 01/20/04 01:12 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I was surprised that he won by the margin he did. I want Dean to win because he wouldn't have a chance of winning, Kerry though not much better has a better chance of beating Bush.





I'm pretty sure my 12 year old brother could beat Bush in a debate. That lady from 20/20 sure cleaned his clock. Most of the recent interviews I've seen with Bush were heavily edited. I dont think he's gonna have that luxury in the debates.

the democrats need someone who can beat bush but not look like an asshole while he's doing it (like Gore did )


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2256069 - 01/20/04 01:39 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure my 12 year old brother could beat Bush in a debate




Tell that to Gore, he lost his debates. Not that Gore is much better than a 12 year old.

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the democrats need someone who can beat bush but not look like an asshole while he's doing it (like Gore did )




There isn't a democrat that can win, period. Like Bush or not, he's still better then the field we have to choose from.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2256143 - 01/20/04 02:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

There isn't a democrat that can win, period. Like Bush or not, he's still better then the field we have to choose from.

pls explain to the audience why you think bush is better than any of the democratic candidates...i agree that no candidate can beat bush..but not because bush is better...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2256179 - 01/20/04 02:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I Dont think Bush is doing a good job,and id love to vote for a democrat,but first i need to see one that is worth anything.IMO the closest in John Edwards and as much as i dislike bush,i will vote for him before any of the democrats that are running.Its simply a case of who will do the LEAST amount of Damage,and right now we need a president with a little experiance under his belt.Kerry is a pompous,trash throwing jerk,and Dean is not far behind.I admit that about 2 years ago when i first saw an interview with Dean i was very impressed.If the election was held that day i no doubt would have voted for him,but he has changed not only his policies and the way he stands on issues but he has changed his personalty.And i cant ignore the fact that he has no experience at all with foreign Policy(not that he would do much worse than Bush).
I liked Gephardt,but now he is gone,so really i have no choice but to vote for Bush.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2256184 - 01/20/04 02:30 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Tell that to Gore, he lost his debates.




well I guess it depends on your point of view. I watched all the 2000 presidential debates, and I would say Gore won them, but he came off as such a cocky asshole while doing it that it cost him PR points in the long run. Remember that winning the presidency is more about personality appeal than political appeal.

I notice you didnt respond to my comments about all the underpublicized bush television interviews in which bush made himself look the fool. My contention is that bush cant go 5 minutes on camera without saying something that makes him look like a complete moron. He's gotten away with this because all the massive tools that have interviewed him have been really forgiving (not to mention the editing process). But, in a live TV debate, a clever democrat who possesses the cognitive ability to call bush on his stupidity could expose him for the brain trust that he is. Not to mention all the campaign promises he broke. (no nation building, reducing the federal beurocracy, etc...)

anyway, I'm looking forward to the debates, as I think they will be quite entertaining.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: BadEnglish]
    #2256193 - 01/20/04 02:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

You say we need a president with a little experience under his belt, but Bush rarely seems to know what he's doing. He basically lets his Cabinet run things, and that's the way it's been with many past presidents. I imagine it will be similar with any Democratic candidate. Hopefully whichever Democrat wins the primary will pick a better Cabinet than Bush has(I can't see how it could get much worse).


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2256196 - 01/20/04 02:35 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

It might be my great dislike for liberals or that many from the left do nothing but complain and do nothing. True Bush isn't the greatest and has made me mad from time to time but c'mon be serious, Kerry? Dean? Clark? It's sorta cute in a way, don't ya think?


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2256203 - 01/20/04 02:37 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Kerry? Dean? Clark? It's sorta cute in a way, don't ya think?



Bush?

Funny how just saying their name with a question mark somehow makes them look ridiculous. :smirk:


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: silversoul7]
    #2256211 - 01/20/04 02:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Could be but apparantly you may be in the minority. Give me a Libertarian to vote for and i'll jump ship.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: silversoul7]
    #2256291 - 01/20/04 03:05 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Ok i agree with alot of what you are saying,but is this isnt a time when we can spend a year working out the kinks in a new administration.Bush is an Idiot,agreed,and he never should have been president,but as i said i dont believe any of the democrats that are running would do much better.and even if it is the presidents cabinet that is running things,thats alot of experiance right ther.Cheney,rumsfeld(sp),powell.And no i dont think they are doing a good job but as i said in these times it seems the only option is to go with who causes the Least harm.
I believe that in todays world a strong Military is an absolute must,and although Bush abuses that,he does believe in a strong military policy.
I am thinking seriously about John edwards but he really doesnt stand a chance .The only 2 who really do are Dean and Kerry and they both are worthless IMO.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2256345 - 01/20/04 03:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure my 12 year old brother could beat Bush in a debate. That lady from 20/20 sure cleaned his clock. Most of the recent interviews I've seen with Bush were heavily edited. I dont think he's gonna have that luxury in the debates.




Bush cannot debate or think for himself for that matter. He is just a friendly-faced spokesperson with name recognition after all.

I often wish someone would sabotage Bush's teleprompter. I bet he'd continue to read whatever was displayed (as he does anyways).


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Xochitl]
    #2256361 - 01/20/04 03:28 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

word.

every time they ask him a tough question, he justs falls back on rhetoric, repeating it over and over like a mantra. fuckin lame. And you can tell the answers arent even his own. The only thinking he does in interviews is trying to remember the "official line" on whatever issue he's been questioned about.

Diane Sawyer asked him some deep questions about his faith and his answers were really fucking weak. Plus they seemed rehearsed.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2256374 - 01/20/04 03:32 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

It's going to really kill you guys if he wins i bet. This is how i felt during the Klinton years.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2256449 - 01/20/04 03:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Bush makes me wish Clinton could run for a 3rd term!!


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: BadEnglish]
    #2256461 - 01/20/04 03:51 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i think he can.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2256487 - 01/20/04 03:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

It's going to really kill you guys if he wins i bet.

that should be taken literally if "he" means bush...and your in line too..if you use drugs...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: ]
    #2256504 - 01/20/04 04:04 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I wouldnt hesitate to vote for him,and 10:1 says he would kick Bushs ass.But even though it is technicly possable,he wont ever do it.Hillary is running in 2008!Then everyone will be saying,boy i wish bush was president he may have been stupid,but come on hillary is.............well its to far away to worry about now.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: BadEnglish]
    #2256767 - 01/20/04 05:40 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Bush is an asshole. However, the stooges running against him are major, hemmoroid inflicted, puss dripping assholes.

Bush it is.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2256852 - 01/20/04 06:04 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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SlapnutRob said:
So John Kerry pulled out the most delegates in the Iowa Caucuses, followed by John Edwards, Howard Dean, and then Dick Gephardt (who dropped out, realizing his fate.... Kucinich and Sharpton, your turn!). What's going to happen now? Is John Kerry the front runner again? I personally think Dean still is... unless he loses in New Hampshire, which would be a major upset. Caucuses are just weird and unpredictable.





I was betting for Sharpton to win this year!
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I can't wait until the democrats answer the most important question of the year, who will you pick to lose to George Bush?


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2256863 - 01/20/04 06:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I can't wait until the democrats answer the most important question of the year, who will you pick to lose to George Bush?



I can't wait until the next president has to answer the most important question: how to clean up after Bush and his destructive policies.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses *DELETED* [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2256904 - 01/20/04 06:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: ]
    #2256924 - 01/20/04 06:23 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be honest, I just want Bush to win so I can bust my liberal friends balls four more years :smile:


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2257156 - 01/20/04 07:36 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not going to read that at all...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2257178 - 01/20/04 07:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll be honest, I just want Bush to win so I can bust my liberal friends balls four more years




i'll have to admit that myself just a little bit... :crazy:


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2257769 - 01/20/04 10:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

you wont have to..i have deleted that post...but you might sitll want to visit the state-of-the-union thread...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2257943 - 01/20/04 11:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I don't understand how anyone could think Bush is a better president than Dean or Clark or Kerry or Edwards would be. If you ask Schwarzenegger what makes him a conservative, he'll tell you he believes in fiscal responsibility and not spending money you don't have. By this standard, Dean is far to the right of Bush! Bush is the biggest spending President ever, and has done by far the most to alienate our international relations and to encourage and ignore terrorism rather than fight it, and those are the facts. It's a joke that Bush's biggest issue is going to be national security. Who would you rather have: a noble leader who believes in even-handed foreign policy, or a President who names "Axis of Evil" and announces a "crusade" and ignores Democratic efforts to form a Homeland Security Department until AFTER 9/11????? It is of utmost importance that the worst President in U.S. history get fucking EVICTED this November.

God I hate Bush.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2257980 - 01/20/04 11:15 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Bush is the biggest spending President ever, and has done by far the most to alienate our international relations and to encourage and ignore terrorism rather than fight it

it would be foolish for the junta to actually fight terrorism..given how much they have profited from 9/11...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2258236 - 01/21/04 12:15 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

please use your brain before making your next post.

that is all.


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    #2258987 - 01/21/04 05:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i'll second that request...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2258988 - 01/21/04 05:50 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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but you might sitll want to visit the state-of-the-union thread...




already been there, the same drivil as this thread.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2259935 - 01/21/04 02:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Bush is the biggest spending President ever, and has done by far the most to alienate our international relations and to encourage and ignore terrorism rather than fight it

it would be foolish for the junta to actually fight terrorism..given how much they have profited from 9/11...




I love how most of the people who say Bush had nothing to gain from 9-11 then immeadiately point to 9-11 as justification for all the campaign promises he broke.  :smirk:


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2259969 - 01/21/04 02:43 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Who are these people? I'm curious.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2259976 - 01/21/04 02:45 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

the majority


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2260040 - 01/21/04 03:07 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

so you can't name one person?


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2260053 - 01/21/04 03:13 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I love how most of the people who say Bush had nothing to gain from 9-11 then immeadiately point to 9-11 as justification for all the campaign promises he broke.

how has he gained from breaking campaign promises? that's typically the sort of thing that costs you votes.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: ]
    #2260067 - 01/21/04 03:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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how has he gained from breaking campaign promises? that's typically the sort of thing that costs you votes.




That's sort of where i was going.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2260225 - 01/21/04 04:21 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I love how most of the people who say Bush had nothing to gain from 9-11 then immeadiately point to 9-11 as justification for all the campaign promises he broke.

Which promises would those be?

I'm sure there must be at least one, since virtually all politicians routinely break campaign promises (even without an excuse such as 9-11), but I must admit I don't remember offhand every campaign promise Bush made so I can't immediately think of one he broke. Perhaps you can help me out -- could you give us a brief list of all the campaign promises he broke? Thanks.

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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Phred]
    #2260303 - 01/21/04 04:50 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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DoctorJ writes:

I love how most of the people who say Bush had nothing to gain from 9-11 then immeadiately point to 9-11 as justification for all the campaign promises he broke.

Which promises would those be?

I'm sure there must be at least one, since virtually all politicians routinely break campaign promises (even without an excuse such as 9-11), but I must admit I don't remember offhand every campaign promise Bush made so I can't immediately think of one he broke. Perhaps you can help me out -- could you give us a brief list of all the campaign promises he broke? Thanks.



Didn't he promised to cut federal beaurocracy or something? He certainly spoke harshly of "big government," but that didn't stop him from becoming Big Brother incarnate.

Also, although it's not so much breaking a promise as just doing a complete 180 on his positions, during the election he said he was against nation-building, though Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that not to be the case.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2260689 - 01/21/04 06:51 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Bush is the biggest spending President ever, and has done by far the most to alienate our international relations and to encourage and ignore terrorism rather than fight it

it would be foolish for the junta to actually fight terrorism..given how much they have profited from 9/11...




I love how most of the people who say Bush had nothing to gain from 9-11 then immeadiately point to 9-11 as justification for all the campaign promises he broke.  :smirk:




thats not what i meant..maybe this will help clarify it ..

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The war on terrorism as pursued by the Bush Administration cannot be won. On the contrary, it may bring about a permanent state of war. Terrorists will never disappear. They will continue to provide a pretext for the pursuit of American supremacy. That pursuit, in turn, will continue to generate resistance. Further, by turning the hunt for terrorists into a war, we are bound to create innocent victims. The more innocent victims there are, the greater the resentment and the better the chances that some victims will turn into perpetrators. [george soros]



a prime example of the race to the bottom that neoconmen call "self-sustaining growth"...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2260721 - 01/21/04 07:06 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

The war on terrorism as pursued by the Bush Administration cannot be won. On the contrary, it may bring about a permanent state of war. Terrorists will never disappear. They will continue to provide a pretext for the pursuit of American supremacy. That pursuit, in turn, will continue to generate resistance. Further, by turning the hunt for terrorists into a war, we are bound to create innocent victims. The more innocent victims there are, the greater the resentment and the better the chances that some victims will turn into perpetrators.

if you read the mission statements, training manuals, propaganda, etc., of islamic terrorist groups, their beef with the great satan is mainly that we support israel and are a bunch of hedonistic infidel heathens. if their hatred was caused exclusively by our wandering military, then the solution would be quite simple. however, it is not. we cannot just sit at home and allow terrorists to be trained and equipped by foriegn hostile governments. that would present far worse risks than going after them with our military. at the same time, we must be extremely cautious and precise in the military force we do apply, lest soros' statements become manifest. basically, there is a middle ground that must be reached. keeping the troops at home is not a good option. nor is taking over the entire muslim world.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: ]
    #2260793 - 01/21/04 07:47 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

we cannot just sit at home and allow terrorists to be trained and equipped by foriegn hostile governments.

emmanuel goldstein..er..i mean bin laden..and al-Q..werent trained and equipped by a foreign hostile govt...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2260810 - 01/21/04 07:57 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

no? they weren't harbored by the taliban?


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    #2260819 - 01/21/04 08:00 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

check mate.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: silversoul7]
    #2260878 - 01/21/04 08:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

silversoul beat me to it.

those were the two big ones I was thinking about.  I also believe he promised to reduce spending. 

Plus the PATRIOT act is completely against classic conservative values.  I cant believe anyone that calls themselves conservative voted for that.  Libbies, I can understand, but conservatives?  The patriot act was what turned even my father against the republicans,  though he has a large personal intrest in Bush's financial agenda. 

And also, i know this has nothing to do with Bush, but where the fuck is the balanced budget amendment?  Republicans bitched about it all through the 90's, and I see nothing keeping them from passing it now, except, oops, all the damage 9/11 did to the economy (but of course the repulicans had nothing to do with that, right :wink: )  Whether they had anything to do with it or not, republicans are treating 9/11 as a blank check which they use to break not only campaign promises, but the very ideals on which their party is supposed to be based. 

I grow tired of the republican party's schizophrenia.  Today, they are a libertarian lassiez faire capitalist, tommorow they are a fascist religious zealot.  They plead both cases to two entirely different demographics and yet somehow come out with all the votes.  Are conservatives unaware of these contradictions, or do they see them as a necessary evil used to win the loyalty of idiots and make their vote stronger?


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: ]
    #2260914 - 01/21/04 08:29 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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how has he gained from breaking campaign promises? that's typically the sort of thing that costs you votes.





dont twist my words. I simply will not stand for it.

All I'm saying is that 9/11 has given Bush exhoneration from most of his campaign promises in the minds of millions of voters.

The particular promises he broke have netted him and his posse some mad cash. Haliburton, the various American war profiteers who are connected to the Bush family, and even OPEC and the Saudis Bush is so friendly with have profitted.

I would call that a gain. I would even go so far as to call that a motive. But I'm a pretty suspicious person by nature, and i could be wrong. I would absolutely love it if someone could conclusively prove to me otherwise.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: ]
    #2261039 - 01/21/04 09:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

we cannot just sit at home and allow terrorists to be trained and equipped by foriegn hostile governments.

no? they weren't harbored by the taliban?

they were *harboured* by the taliban..after the CIA under reagan *trained and equipped* them in the 1980s...


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2261334 - 01/21/04 10:58 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I hate beginning some good, well-thought out liberal arguments on a thread that I started to come back 24 hours later and find that Mushmuster and Innvertigo teamed up to tear open 2 pages of liberal asshole while I was gone. Jackasses. Wait for me.


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: SlapnutRob]
    #2262136 - 01/22/04 06:26 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: BadEnglish]
    #2262141 - 01/22/04 06:35 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see how Clinton could run....

At any rate, I wish he could, because he would be the one with the power to remove this fucking yahoo named Bush and all of his policies that will end the world. Or something. :grin: Clinton was the best president we have had in a LOOOOONNNGG time.
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    #2262340 - 01/22/04 09:53 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)


they were *harboured* by the taliban..after the CIA under reagan *trained and equipped* them in the 1980s...


but they were actually at some point training and plotting with the knowledge and support of the taliban government, right?

when was al-qaeda aided by the CIA?


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    #2262603 - 01/22/04 12:14 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I want to write a lot more, but I'm at school, only have a minute....

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when was al-qaeda aided by the CIA?



I don't think Al Qaeda was aided by the CIA, but CIA definitely helped Osama Bin Laden and others in fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.


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    #2262846 - 01/22/04 02:14 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think Al Qaeda was aided by the CIA, but CIA definitely helped Osama Bin Laden and others in fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.




That would be correct but Osama was not a threat until after the Gulf War (1991). (pissed aboot our presence in Saudi Arabia)


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    #2272973 - 01/25/04 10:45 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and irrelevant "hip" people are. Bill Clinton was a great president (see above)?, yeah right! Let's see, 1)he left us more bitterly divided then at any time since Viet Nam, 2)his domestic accomplishments were nonexistent - let's not forget his own party nixed his and Hillary's socialized medicine program, and his chief domestic claims to fame were a balanced budget and welfare reform both of which came out of the Republican Congress' playbook (thanks Newt),3)he left the economy tumbling into a recession (fall of 2000 folks before George took office), 4)and in foreign affairs he left us vulnerable to the worse attack in our history. Oh yeah, and let's not forget that he lowered by his lies and his behavior as a whore dog the esteem with which the presidency was held more then at any time in our history. What a great president, not even a good liar!
John Kerry may not be the criminal that Clinton is, but he is still a liberal elitist clown who wants to return power to the likes of Jesse "cash-the-check" Jackson and Ted "the Toad" Kennedy. All of which is not to mention the fact that he has a face that belongs on an iodine battle, he is truly Dr. Death incarnate. George will win, screw the rigged polls by the elite media and the games they play, George will win - Thank God!


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    #2272980 - 01/25/04 10:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: tubularscar]
    #2273866 - 01/26/04 06:01 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and irrelevant "hip" people are. Bill Clinton was a great president (see above)?, yeah right! Let's see, 1)he left us more bitterly divided then at any time since Viet Nam,




how did he do that exactly? all i can remember us fighting over is how much we should care whether he was having an affair considering past presidents and present world leaders do it and still do a fine job leading their country.

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2)his domestic accomplishments were nonexistent - let's not forget his own party nixed his and Hillary's socialized medicine program, and his chief domestic claims to fame were a balanced budget and welfare reform both of which came out of the Republican Congress' playbook (thanks Newt)




non-existant domestic accomplishments? how about leading a booming economy and creating millions of jobs (i.e. the opposite of what bush has done). and hey, at least he tried to create a NHS. finally, dont take credit for the balanced budget when republicans have control now, yet cant do it. look at the deficit under clinton and then under reagan and GW bush. actions speak louder than words.

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3)he left the economy tumbling into a recession (fall of 2000 folks before George took office)




after 8 years of massive success...

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4)and in foreign affairs he left us vulnerable to the worse attack in our history.




right...im sure past meddling in the affairs of the middle east before clinton had nothing to do with it....most of his affairs had to do with the former yugoslavia anyway.

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Oh yeah, and let's not forget that he lowered by his lies and his behavior as a whore dog the esteem with which the presidency was held more then at any time in our history.



was waiting for that ad hominem attack on his sexual practices. focus on his politics please. oh, and other countries thought it our reaction to it all was crazy, not the act itself.

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George will win, screw the rigged polls by the elite media and the games they play,




yeah, damn fox news trying to push the liberal agenda!!

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George will win - Thank God!



more like god forbid. he's seriously the worst president in our history. bad economy, no jobs, horrible foreign relation practices angering all our allies (including the english populous), dividing the country, disregarding civil rights with the patriot act, and the always understated complete denial of the fact of global warming (a fact admitted by his own commissioned-study not to mention 99.9% of all climatologists on earth).


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Re: John Kerry wins Iowa Caucuses [Re: Tao]
    #2274182 - 01/26/04 10:10 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

The Taliban was in fact supported by the CIA in their war against soviet occupation in Afganistan

The game changes, and alliances shift. It's just the nature of things. Get over it


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