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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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spudamore said:
i very much so think it can,  you can conquer your fears and inhibitions through it.
if you go out of your way to do and more often.  i think it is escaping daily existence


Going to sleep is escaping daily existence. We seek sleep every night should we treat it as an escape from life? Your god damn right it is and I usually look forward to it. It doesn't detract from my waking life it enhances it.

The higher grounds of reality are to be explored. Otherwise you are just a worker ant with your nose to the ground. Some may lose their way while in the higher country but that has never stopped explorers in the past.

Please do not escape reality because 40 years of sitting in a cubical are waiting for you back on earth. :thumbup:

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: phreakyzen]
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these people that seek to live their lives through lucid dreaming are escaping daily life, there is lot more to the mind and life then living journeys in the mind

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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Ive had loads of partially lucid dream expieriences and about one full on lucid expierience but most of the time that ive tried to get fully lucid i get too excited and wake up or get too scared, an example would be last week i was on holiday and I woke up while dreming , what happened was i was in my room but everything looked different, all gray and sleek and there was a strange pattern on the wall, i then felt a presence to the right of my bed and this presence started to tickle my face (sounds weird i know and it felt weird) i then tried to say hello to this presence and then i woke up, i guess it was kind so much of a sensory overload that i got too excited and woke, but im hopeful i can achieve a fully lucid expiernce within the coming months.

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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these people that seek to live their lives through lucid dreaming are escaping daily life, there is lot more to the mind and life then living journeys in the mind



I want to learn lucid dreaming to enhance my present life and grow to be more aware of my own counciousness and the nature of couciousness in general, not to escape from or not face reality.

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: bolie]
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Thanks for the tip about asking yourself if this is a dream during daily life. I have been very interested in lucid dreaming for a while now but I haven't been able to acheive it. Until this Morning!! I had my first lucid dream experience and it was amazing. I was very surprised at how real and vivid it seemed. The first thing I did was check a few clocks to see if the numbers were scrambled and difficult to make out, this assured me that it was a dream. I spent most of the time wandering around observing the surroundings and characters. I didn't try to manipulate anything or preform anything that I couldn't do in daily life although I was very impressed that if I expected a certain person to be in a room, sure enough they would be there when I entered. Very awesome experience, I can't wait to have another one and explore around alot more!

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: Soul]
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For some reason the brain usually can't put together words in dreams so if words are scrambled. I have read in dreams, however, so it is possible, just not common (you will never read a nevel in a dream). It is a good way to tell you are in a dream that the words are scrambles and congrats on the first lucid dream you ever had.

May it be the begginning of many!
(try sex)


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Agent 727
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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: Mong]
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yeah learn it but don't get caught up in it that you stop physically living thats all i am saying

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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Hey have any of you lucid dreamers ever tried to to talk to God or some higher power?


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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: bolie]
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I usually don't have really lucid dreams because as soon as I am aware enough I start to wake up, whether I want to or not.

The last and most lucid dream (though only semi-lucid) I can remember I was staying in somebodies guest room in a house in what seemed to North Shore Auckland, NZ. I think it looked a little more like Hawaii. I looked out my window and I saw a bright and beautiful blue sky and the sun reflecting off the ocean waves. There were people windsurfing everywhere. I think it was once of the coolest things I have seen in a dream.
This house had lots of windows and each room was full of light from the ocean. Across the water was a lush green island. I walked down the beach with my host. There were lots of flowers and trees along the beach, and I remember being amused by the his Kiwi personality.

I woke up briefly, but when I fell back asleep I was standing outside a third floor apartment somewhere in Seattle. I clearly remember knowing I was asleep. I think I flew around a little bit. I don't remember much else.

A few times in my life my dreams, if only for a few seconds, seem more real than my waking life.

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: MAGnum]
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Hey guys, Wow! what an awsome bunch of replies. I am glad to hear that some of you are activley doing this. Its a hard thing to convince people is true because as soon as the skeptical thoughts get in it ruins the likelyhood of them having one.

I average about 5-6 lucid dreams a week now using only the methods found on my website www.envisage.net.nz . It has taken me about a year to get this far and about 50-60% of my lucid dreams I have nearly complete control.

I have had some pretty interesting journeys as you might imagine.

I am trying to grow my website over the next few weeks as I actually have an advertising campaign getting ready to launch soon. This is a big passion in my life and I want to let as many people know about it as I can. I think its one of the closest ways 'straight' people can open thier mind as in my experience ignorance is a big problem in this area. The fact that this kind of reality exsists OUTSIDE of reality, as many of you have said in your posts, can be a truely mind bending experience but with a little practice you can gain control.

I ask that if this topic intrests you and you wish to contribute to my cause (spreading the word of lucid dreaming) then you are most welcome to sign up to www.envisage.net.nz and contribute to the forums. Perhaps you have an idea that you want to write an article about? I plan to have one of the best (both quantity and quality) archives of dream related materiel on the internet. I also the circuity of a small cheap gadget being designed that will hopefully help induce lucid dreams that I will sell very very cheaply if they succeed.

Once again if you can contribute in any way It would be much much appreciated! even just to sign up and say hi! to make it look like the forums are nice and active when I go hard out and advertise it.

Apologies if this post has a tint of spam!  :tongue:

thanks a lot

-Tom
www.envisage.net.nz


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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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spudamore said:
these people that seek to live their lives through lucid dreaming are escaping daily life, there is lot more to the mind and life then living journeys in the mind


I do not understand what you are saying. You cannot avoid sleep and lucid dreaming is just becoming more conscious during sleep. It is not escaping further it is utilizing something that already happens. It's like telling somebody you better not enjoy eating because you will no longer enjoy the moments you don't eat. Should we not spice up our foods because to do so is making the rest of life bland?

Yes there is so much more but to me waking or sleep both come from the mind. If I can control my dreams then I believe the logical step is controlling waking. What exactly are you afraid of, not waking up? That will happen regardless.

People create obligations in their minds whether to waking life or dream state. What they choose to do with those obligations is their desicion. If they sleep all day than they lose their jobs, family & friends. They might become ill and leave this life early. Either way they are deciding to do this based on their circumstances.

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: phreakyzen]
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what i am saying if you go out of your way to go to sleep just to practice lucid dreaming is escaping daily life...

Should we not spice up our foods because to do so is making the rest of life bland?

if your life is bland that was your choice in the 1st place...

What exactly are you afraid of, not waking up?
are you kidding???

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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spudamore said:
what i am saying if you go out of your way to go to sleep just to practice lucid dreaming is escaping daily life...


So your just a public service announcement going through the forums warning people not to do things you think are wrong.

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if your life is bland that was your choice in the 1st place...


Oh course it's your own choice. It's your own choice if you want to sleep all day.

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are you kidding???


Yes I am kidding. I am only responding to you because you sound like one of my high school councilors. I think most people understand that too much of something is usually not good. Lucid dreaming has no side effects that you or I know of. You are basically telling people not to sleep too much and that seems redundant.

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: phreakyzen]
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i didn't say it was wrong you assumed that i was thinking it was wrong

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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: spudamore]
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Lucid dreaming is the shit. If you can do it, you must do it. Just because you aren't interested doesn't mean people shouldn't spend time trying and exploring it. A lucid dream is your own personal universe.

If you don't like the idea of people practicing it and getting to do it as a skill, that's fine. Why should anyone explore thier minds at all? Why trip at all? Performing when you have to sleep anyways is not going out of your way at all. No one said they sleep all day attempting this(even though some of us may).

May everyone dream beautiful lucid dreams!


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Agent 727
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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: MAGnum]
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MAGnum said:
For some reason the brain usually can't put together words in dreams so if words are scrambled. I have read in dreams, however, so it is possible, just not common (you will never read a nevel in a dream). It is a good way to tell you are in a dream that the words are scrambles and congrats on the first lucid dream you ever had.

May it be the begginning of many!
(try sex)


I had a dream I read a book! A page from it is all I can remember!! This is amazing!


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Agent 727
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Re: Lucid dreaming - don't do it? learn now for gods sake! [Re: MAGnum]
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i have done and can do it. but serves me of no real important purpose. it works to much on fantasy and the "what ifs". but if thats your form of entertainment thats up to you.

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