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OfflineLearyfan
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How many more 2000's do we need to see?
    #3040416 - 08/23/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of people on this board, as I remember, are cool with the electoral college. Why? I forget what the dumb reasons were.

My question is, what if the candidate who wins the popular vote loses in 2004? What about again in 2008?

How many times can the candidate who receives the most votes lose before we scrap this electoral college shit?




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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3040448 - 08/23/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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A lot of people on this board, as I remember, are cool with the electoral college. Why? I forget what the dumb reasons were.



The electoral college ensures the major population centers don't run roughshod over the rest of the country.

It's a good thing. I suspect you'd feel it was OK had Gore won because of it.

I'd rather see a run-off between the top two candidates, then maybe a third party candidate would not be so disadvantaged.


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My question is, what if the candidate who wins the popular vote loses in 2004? What about again in 2008?



Oh well.


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How many times can the candidate who receives the most votes lose before we scrap this electoral college shit?



Hopefully never unless as laid out in my third sentence in this post.


EDIT: But hey.... at least you're over the "Bush stole the election" shit.


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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3040451 - 08/23/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

How many times can the candidate who receives the most votes lose before we scrap this electoral college shit?

i think it's happened three times in over 200 years.

the electoral college is one of the few remaining affirmations that this country is a federation of states.

edit... 3 times.


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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3040728 - 08/23/04 08:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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The electoral college ensures the major population centers don't run roughshod over the rest of the country.




I don't understand why that's a bad thing. Why does it matter where voters are located? A vote should count as a vote.

I would sacrifce having Bush win to get rid of the electoral college.



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i think it's happened three times in over 200 years.






But if it happened over and over again, would you want to switch?

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Mushmaster said:

the electoral college is one of the few remaining affirmations that this country is a federation of states.




Why?

Isn't it more important for every US citizen's vote to count?







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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3042765 - 08/24/04 05:13 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If the US was a democracy it would be, and still is, important for everyones vote to count.

The US is not a democracy. It is a constitutionally limited republic and a confederation of states. They system is set-up to ensure some equalization of the power of the states.

The system works fine and until we have a run-off system, the current one should be left alone.


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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3042865 - 08/24/04 06:47 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I'm all for the electoral college because we aren't a democracy. I'm not cool with 9 people voting to kill the tenth and mob rule. I'll stick to the representative republic that we currently are.


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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3042986 - 08/24/04 08:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Some states are historically more corrupt than others. If we moved to popular vote perhaps Illinois could swing an election with an overwhelming turnout of dead Democrats in Chicago. The current system gives at least some protections against one corrupt state from a "popular vote" coup.

Democrats whine just because the lost, not because the system is bad. It is sad and pathetic.


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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Learyfan]
    #3043899 - 08/24/04 01:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

first of all..the outcome in 2000 was not the product of the electoral college so much as that of vote fraud (US comission on civil rights) and illegal intervention by the neocon SCOTUS (the nation)...no matter how many times the right-wing twits here say they won the FL vote by the rules doesnt make it true...

second of all..for obvious reasons..the electoral college cannot be abolished...fortunately..however..its influence can be susbstantially weakened..if the states apportioned their electoral votes as is done in ME...the solution is in the statehouses and not the federal govt...


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Re: How many more 2000's do we need to see? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3044636 - 08/24/04 04:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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no matter how many times the right-wing twits here say they won the FL vote by the rules doesnt make it true...



You're right. Saying it doesn't make it so. The facts take care of that all by themselves.


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