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OfflineGazzBut
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Democracy in Iraq....US Style!
    #4819983 - 10/18/05 09:51 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Iraq's independent electoral commission says statistical irregularities in last week's referendum could indicate fraud.
Chief electoral officer Adel Alami did not give details, but he said many provinces' figures were either too high or too low by international standards.

A source told the BBC both the turnout and result levels were of concern.

The electoral commission said on Monday it was re-examining the ballots and that final results from the referendum would be delayed by several days.

Earlier, United Nations election officials in Iraq said the vote had gone well, but some Sunni Arab politicians have alleged corrupt practices were allowed to boost the "yes" vote.

As far as I know, Condoleezza Rice does not work at the IECI

Election officials also queried US assertions - later retracted - that the draft constitution was likely to be approved.


During her visit to London last week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said initial information from the field indicated the constitution would be backed.

Hussein Hindawi, an official at the commission, said he was "surprised" by the statement.

"As far as I know, she does not work at the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq (IECI)," Mr Hindawi added.

Karina Parelli, head of the United Nations Election Assistance Team in Iraq, also questioned Ms Rice's comments.

"Unless Rice is more well-informed than the IECI, thus far there is no way to know the turnout percentages or the results of the voting," she said.



The IECI said votes in several governorates required "re-examination, comparison and verification because they are relatively high compared with international averages for elections".

The commission said in some areas nearly all votes indicated a "yes", and in others a "no", and that in such circumstances the ballots would have to be audited, in line with international practice.

The count was also disrupted by a sandstorm that blew up in central Iraq, preventing ballots from being flown to Baghdad for counting and slowing their progress on the roads.

CONSTITUTION'S KEY POINTS
Iraq to be federal, parliamentary democracy
Official languages to be Arabic and Kurdish
Official religion to be Islam but religious freedoms guaranteed
Equal rights for all
Independent judiciary
Elections every four years


Q&A: Iraq referendum

The result was originally expected later this week, but the electoral commission warned it might now be put back several days.

On Sunday, unofficial results leaked out suggesting that the referendum would be endorsed.

There were indications that Shia and Kurdish areas had voted heavily for the constitution, while opponents may have got the upper hand in only two of Iraq's provinces, not the three they need to veto the charter.

The Associated Press cited an anonymous official saying that heavily Sunni Anbar and central Salahuddin provinces had rejected the treaty by the required two-thirds.

But Ninevah and Diyala provinces, which are thought to have slight Sunni majorities, appeared to have voted in favour.

Saleh al-Mutlaq, a prominent Sunni Arab politician, alleged vote-rigging in Diyala, saying soldiers had removed ballot boxes and that there had been more votes cast than registered electors.

'Peaceful process'

There was international approval that the vote went ahead relatively peacefully, and that turnout was high, even in Sunni areas where some groups urged a boycott.

US President George W Bush called the high participation "a positive development", and said it showed that "people are willing to try to work out their political differences through a process, a peaceful process".

One place where few people appeared to have voted was Ramadi, west of Baghdad, where militant activity has been high.

On the day of the vote, five US soldiers were killed in a roadside bombing in a village near the city.

US helicopters and warplanes bombed the same area on Sunday, killing about 70 militants, the US military said, although eye-witnesses said many of the dead were civilians.


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: GazzBut]
    #4820018 - 10/18/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

A government that breeds another government....and there is corruption? No way!! I cant believe that!!!!!


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: GazzBut]
    #4821082 - 10/18/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

this is actually very good news..since now it will be much more difficult for bush to claim it as vindication for his extremist policies...


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: GazzBut]
    #4821140 - 10/18/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder how much the commission was paid, or whose lives were threatened, to initiate this audit.


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4821319 - 10/18/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You know, it is very selfish to hope that Iraq continues to fail just because your political opponents would be viewed better if it succeeds.

What happened to liberal values?

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Redstorm]
    #4821389 - 10/18/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

not when they mean to start more wars..etc...


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4821428 - 10/18/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You would still hope for the people in Iraq to suffer in an unstable country just becuase YOU think there will be more wars undertaken by our country?

This sort of disregard for other people's humanity was a trait held by Eichmann, you know?

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Redstorm]
    #4821522 - 10/18/05 04:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

and you would wish for the populations of several different countries to suffer the same fate as iraq (how humanitarian!!)...moreover..i stand by my contention that this so-called "constitution" is merely a blueprint for the surrender of much of the countrys' mineral rights.. little wonder why the vote is being questioned...


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4821541 - 10/18/05 04:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't want to go to war anywhere else, and I don't think we will.

I also wish for the best for Iraqi citizens, unlike you.

Through all of your rants about fascists, nazis, and neocons, it seems you are the uncaring caring one projecting onto others.

You care about nothing or no one other than criticizing the current administration.

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Redstorm]
    #4821590 - 10/18/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
I don't want to go to war anywhere else, and I don't think we will.





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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: GazzBut]
    #4821630 - 10/18/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Did anyone actually expect the Sunni's to NOT alledge vote fraud?

That would be like republicans winning in 2008 and not expecting liberals to say it was rigged for the third time. It should be expected.

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: daimyo]
    #4821663 - 10/18/05 05:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Could you post the news article? I don't feel like signing up.

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Redstorm]
    #4821667 - 10/18/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I also wish for the best for Iraqi citizens




that definitely doesnt include this parody of a "constitution"..which i have no doubts will leave them even worse off than they are now...and..to reapeat..cause the same to happen elsewhere...


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Redstorm]
    #4821694 - 10/18/05 05:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I changed it. The first result is the link I was aiming for. There's also some good ones below it.


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4821740 - 10/18/05 05:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

So they are better off with no gov't?

That is absurd.

Once again, I will have to ask you for the specifics of the constitution you are against? I am starting to think you haven't even looked at it.

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: daimyo]
    #4821745 - 10/18/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't want to go to war anywhere else, and I don't think we will.





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I really don't think we'll go to war with Syria. We may wag our finger at them and scold them, but nothing substantive will happen. Remember N. Korea? That situation was much more tense than this, and somehow war was avoided.

If we do end up going to war, though, I will gladly admit I was wrong.

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Redstorm]
    #4821783 - 10/18/05 05:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Don't go N Korea. They had too much back. Syria has nothing and they dig deeper holes every time they assassinate a Lebanese politician and supply Iraqi invaders. Really, just decap them and let them be run by Lebanon for awhile. That would be teh fun


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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4822492 - 10/18/05 08:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

We need to make all Muslims give up Islam or send them to death camps.

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Re: Democracy in Iraq....US Style! [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4822495 - 10/18/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

We need to make all Christians give up Christianity or send them to death camps.

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