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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: pugster]
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pugster said:
CrAcKbAbY said:
pugster said:
i guess at least they are doing something about it , and they dont even have guns :grin:

*im also for better education in the u.s

** there nothing in that article about 'free' rent or college costs

*** ppl in france dont fuck about and will happily riot over a burnt piece of toast at the breakfast table





It's just 'students' protesting for better education conditions :burke:







remind me again where i said anything about it just being students protesting for better education? :grin:



I said it in first post article.
"When did protests start?
The education protests in France began in late September, a week after the start of the school year."


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
pugster said:
CrAcKbAbY said:
pugster said:
i guess at least they are doing something about it , and they dont even have guns :grin:

*im also for better education in the u.s

** there nothing in that article about 'free' rent or college costs

*** ppl in france dont fuck about and will happily riot over a burnt piece of toast at the breakfast table





It's just 'students' protesting for better education conditions :burke:







remind me again where i said anything about it just being students protesting for better education? :grin:



I said it in first post article.
"When did protests start?
The education protests in France began in late September, a week after the start of the school year."



yeah i know that , i just thought it was funny af when he quoted me as i was advocating for better education in the U.S :grin:

the riots in france (well these latest ones, as i said they will riot over anything in france) started around a week ago over the cost of living though they have now descended into a free for all looting spree.

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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: vicepope] * 2
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Socialism ideals are happening because of capitalism results.

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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: pugster]
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I didn't necessarily mean you said that, I meant it sarcastically regarding the way some media outlets have been framing what's been happening in France for instance, and continuing to refer to the rioters as 'students' :batlol:




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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: CrAcKbAbY] * 1
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ah right, out of all the people posting in the thread you just decided to quote me.

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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/18/europe-protests-france-spain-portugal-2026-explainer

The youth are "roiting" protests because they want free rent and cheaper college cost.
Worst part is the lack of mainstream American media coverage of this. Instead of trump bashing. There is other places that effective of our actions in America.



What are you a fox commentator? Read the damn link, no one said free rent.

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The protests were triggered by the eviction of an 87-year-old woman from her home after an investment fund hiked her rent by 230%. Maricarmen Abascal died a fortnight later after being admitted to hospital.

Protesters have called for lower rents, an end to evictions and a ban on investment funds buying property.

Similar pleas were made across the Iberian border in Portugal on Saturday, with hundreds gathering in central Lisbon.

Portuguese housing prices rose by 124% between 2015 and 2024, roughly twice as fast as the EU average, according to official data.



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Free rent means living in a property without paying the agreed financial cost or rent to the landlord or owner.

An end to evictions (or limits on "no-grounds" / "no-fault" evictions) means a landlord cannot remove a tenant from a property without a legally valid, approved reason (such as the owner moving in, major renovations, or a serious lease breach like failing to pay rent).

Rent is still legally owed: If a tenant stops paying rent, they accumulate rental arrears, and the landlord can still issue a breach notice and proceed with a lawful eviction for non-payment of rent.




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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: CrAcKbAbY]
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https://www.democracynow.org/2026/10/19/france_student_protests

Here's  the transcripts  of a piece by Democracy Now! on a similar  protest in France - also over cost of living


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Hundreds of thousands of protesters marched in over 140 cities across France on Saturday, demanding relief from the high cost of living, more funding for public services and improvements to deteriorating schools, among other grievances. The demonstrations were the latest — and largest — in a series of protests that began in September with high schooler-led demonstrations against overcrowded classrooms and crumbling school infrastructure. Some cities saw property destruction, arson and theft on Saturday, with city halls and other symbols of the state coming under attack. Officials said nearly 1,000 police officers were injured and some 2,400 people were arrested.

“What is frustrating to see is how little the police violence is addressed and talked about, which is really the main violence and the real violence today that is taking place in France,” says Rayyan Seriket, a member of the French student union.

“We’re talking about shattered jaws, high schoolers and adolescents who have been blinded,” adds Harrison Stetler, an independent journalist and teacher based in Paris.

This all comes as Marine Le Pen of the far-right National Rally party is leading in the polls six months ahead of France’s elections. “This situation is essentially what Marine Le Pen hopes for,” says Stetler.
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AMY GOODMAN: We begin in France, where hundreds of thousands of protesters marched in over 140 cities across France Saturday, demanding relief from the high cost of living, more funding for public services and improvements to deteriorating public schools. The demonstrations were the latest — and largest — in a series of protests that began in September with student-led demonstrations against overcrowded classrooms and crumbling, mainly high school, infrastructure, which grew into a broader nationwide movement.

Some cities saw property destruction, arson and theft, with 1,500 stores damaged and attacks targeting symbols of the state, including city halls in Lille, Marseille and Limoges, and a tourist office in Lyon. Officials said nearly 2,400 people were arrested, and close to a thousand police and security personnel were injured. France’s Interior Minister Laurent Nuñez said police had “lost control,” and [offered] to resign, an offer Macron rejected.

In a televised address Sunday, Macron condemned the violence but also acknowledged the legitimate grievances of the demonstrators.

    PRESIDENT EMMANUEL MACRON: [translated] Dissenters from far-left groups, joined by numerous criminals, unleashed unrestrained violence in our cities. Shops were looted. Public buildings, stores and town halls were attacked, and some were destroyed. Several hundred police officers and gendarmes were injured. Watching these images, we all ask ourselves: What are they thinking? How can French people do this to France?

    Yesterday, several hundred thousand of our fellow citizens demonstrated with a desire to voice legitimate demands. We must never confuse them with those who destroyed, vandalized and looted. These demonstrators expressed concern about the cost of living and fuel prices, which stem from the conflict that began in the Persian Gulf, a conflict in which France has taken no part but whose consequences we are suffering. I fully understand their concerns.

AMY GOODMAN: Hours after his address, President Macron arrived in Kuwait to begin a tour of Arab Gulf states today, including the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Qatar, aimed at strengthening economic and military partnerships that have been upended by the U.S.-Iran war. Before flying to Kuwait, Macron said the visit would help secure energy supplies and respond to protesters’ concerns over rising fuel prices.

Meanwhile, France’s far-right party criticized the government and the violence over the weekend. Far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen offered a, quote, “path of rebirth” if she wins the next election.

    MARINE LE PEN: [translated] In six months, the French people will be able to choose a different path, that of authority and renewed security, that of sovereignty and a respected democracy. This is what I propose to you. Make no mistake: For France, it will be a path of hope, a path of rebirth. Long live the republic, and long live France.

AMY GOODMAN: Many of the hundreds of thousands who marched peacefully Saturday say there was too much focus on property damage by the media and not on the issues of austerity and police violence against children. The protests were begun by high school students. This is a young protester in Paris who works in the publicity industry.

    PROTESTER: [translated] They want a better life for a little cheaper, and that’s what we want, too. That’s why we are drawing together, and everyone is here with the students, with the farmers and everyone who wants a decent life in France in the future.

AMY GOODMAN: For more, we’re joined by two guests. Rayyan Seriket is a student in France and a member of the FSE, the French student union federation. She’s joining us from Lyon. And from Paris, we’re joined by Harrison Stetler, independent journalist and teacher. His latest piece for The Nation is headlined “Has France’s Government Overplayed Its Hand?”

Let’s begin with Rayyan. Rayyan, thanks so much for being with us. Explain what these protests are about, beginning with the high schoolers who took to the streets.

RAYYAN SERIKET: Thank you for having me.

The reason behind those protests, indeed, it started with the high schoolers demanding better studying conditions, and it quickly extended to pretty much the whole French people. The reason behind this is that the demands are pretty much the same. People are demanding better life conditions, better living conditions, better studying, working conditions, a lower cost of living. And it’s really — what we can tell and get from those protests, it’s the reject of the current government and how little people still have faith in that government, a government that had made a bunch of promises over the years but mostly has broken them and, you know, applied a lot of harsh policies on the French people regarding, again, cost of — cost of living, sorry, and just the working and studying conditions. And so, this is the common point. The reason why those protests are so wide and extended wider than just high schoolers is because it’s the whole question not only of our living conditions, but also of who we are governed by and what interests they have, and the reject of a government that has shown time and time again that they will always choose their economic interests over the French people’s.

AMY GOODMAN: And talk about the joining of unions, college students. Who is supporting these protests? And then, can you respond to the violence and how President Macron has responded, before heading off to the Gulf, condemning the violence, the French government shoring up its military sales to various Gulf nations?

RAYYAN SERIKET: Yeah, well, most people are supporting the protests that are taking place — like you said, high schoolers, obviously, but also students, the working class very widely, as well, either in public services or, you know, private companies. A lot of people have joined and supported the protests and the demands that were made, because it’s about things that include pretty much the whole society. And we have seen also protests in suburbs, which are more working-class neighborhoods in France, and so a lot of protests also took place there, again, regarding living conditions and also police violence.

And so, to kind of respond to what President Macron was saying, he, again, said the police were being professional, and, again, blamed the violence that took place. But what is frustrating to see is how little the police violence is addressed and talked about, which is really the main violence and the real violence today that is taking place in France. It’s people, children often, that have lost their hands, their eyes, their teeth over the last few weeks. It’s people struggling to get food in their house by the half of the month. This is the true violence. It’s how violently and hardly the government has chosen to respond to the demands and how it keeps affecting people, and sometimes really young people.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to bring Harrison Stetler into this conversation. You have written a piece in The Nation, “Has France’s Government Overplayed Its Hand?” Can you explain what you mean? And also, as the elections are coming up in France, there is great concern that the property damage and street violence will benefit the more far-right parties. Can you talk about the significance of what this might mean for the National Rally — that’s Marine Le Pen’s far-right party — Harrison?

HARRISON STETLER: Sure. Well, first off, thanks, Amy, for having me on the show.

In response to your first question about, I mean, what from the beginning has been the French government’s response to this crisis, I mean, I think it’s been — there’s been many facets. First of all, we’ve seen from the beginning, essentially, a zero-tolerance policy to protests in many respects. Yes, there was indeed national, wide-scale, this past Saturday, protests and marches that were, as you mentioned in your introduction, widely peaceful. But from the beginning, a major component of the response coming from state authorities, from political authorities and government has been to essentially treat the uprising or the social movement this autumn as a case of urban violence.

I think many of the police responses recall what we’ve seen in recent cases of rioting over things like police violence in 2023, when there were three days or four, several days of, essentially, wide-scale national rioting over the police killing of a young man in the Paris suburbs. And essentially, from the beginning of these last few weeks of revolts, what have we seen from the government? Basically to revamp and fall back on what is, by this point, an extremely established playbook, essentially, on how do you police public disorder, how do you police questions or situations when popular frustration, essentially, hits the streets out of a reflection of the lack of, essentially, political outlets for these frustrations.

As far as what we’ve seen over the last weekend, I think I’m — personally, I’m actually quite surprised by the government’s response. And I think one of the big elements of the last 48 hours specifically has been unpacking the degree to which the government was, frankly, unprepared, as well. And what we were seeing from state intelligence services last week were estimations of anywhere between 100,000 and 200,000 people expected to come out on Saturday. And by the government’s own recognition, we’re at over half a million, or as many as 800,000, according to organizers. So, it seems like they vastly underestimated.

And what you see in these sorts of situations, I think, and it’s a lot of the criticism coming from the left, is in these situations, when the government essentially has its back up against a wall, what is an initial response? That is police charges, tear gas, rubber bullets, which has now resulted in a growing list of injuries among protesters. We’re talking about shattered jaws, high schoolers and adolescents who have been blinded. So, no, this is, unfortunately —

AMY GOODMAN: I mean, we’re talking about war-like injuries.

HARRISON STETLER: — the latest in a long pattern of — absolutely. I mean, what I — from this past Saturday, there’s at least one new case of a student being blinded, another adolescent who, again, lost a hand by a grenade that was launched into a crowd. So, no, these are — this is really a reflection of what has developed over many years, what has accelerated under Macron’s administration, which is, essentially, a model of zero-tolerance escalatory policing.

Obviously, there are conversations to have, and there are investigations to be conducted into cases of rioting over the past weekend that saw not only luxury stores or big box stores looted, or a town hall burnt to the ground, but also saw mom-and-pop businesses, what we would say in the United States, looted, as well. So, there are absolutely investigations that will take place. But first of all, I think it must really be underlined that this is the latest instance when, I mean, what the French call the model of public order in France, le maintien de l’ordre public, has again shown, essentially, a first escalation model coming from police forces.

I mean, to return to your second question, I guess, on the Rassemblement National, I mean, I, to be fully frank, am increasingly worried that we’re — we have long since entered an extremely dangerous situation as far as French electoral politics go. Since 2024, the situation in Parliament is extremely unstable, divided between three minority blocs, of which the governing centrist coalition has essentially been unable to do anything of substance to respond to the economic crises that are bringing people out onto the streets. Marine Le Pen, what is her response? It is — it was written on the wall from the beginning, and it is law and order, law and order, law and order.

And unfortunately, I mean, the situation like we have in France, what does it require? It requires that civil society look in an extremely lucid and clear way at what is a social crisis that is very revelatory of Macron’s governing style over the last 10 years. And I fear that French political culture, French media, French civil society is increasingly unable to make, essentially, the kind of lucid analysis and have the type of outlook we need to truly pick apart what is happening in this country.

And this situation is essentially what Marine Le Pen hopes for. I mean, I think they think — their strategic reading right now is: “This is absolutely what fits into our appeal, what fits into what is going to make voters choose us next spring.” I mean, I don’t want to, obviously, be the bearer of bad news this early, but, I mean, it must be noted that, essentially, what do all opinion polls show at this point? That Marine Le Pen is essentially the only candidate who’s guaranteed to make it through the first round runoff. And essentially, against contenders, she has the advantage at this point. Obviously, a lot can change, but for Marine Le Pen, within the Rassemblement National party, I think the mood is probably quite positive right now.

AMY GOODMAN: Harrison Stetler, thanks so much for being with us, independent journalist and teacher based in Paris. We’ll link to your piece in The Nation, “Has France’s Government Overplayed Its Hand?” And Rayyan Seriket, a student and member of the French student union federation, speaking to us from Lyon.



Edited by allenii (10/19/26 02:36 PM)

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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: CrAcKbAbY] * 1
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It’s quite simple. Stop sending money to israel and spend it on education at home. The easiest of concepts to understand.:thumbup:


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: trepanationexprt] * 1
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Well, at least in France, they are rioting because there isnt enough socialism.

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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: trepanationexprt]
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trepanationexprt said:
It’s quite simple. Stop sending money to israel and spend it on education at home. The easiest of concepts to understand.:thumbup:



How is that your take away. France doesn't even send aid to Isreal just sends aid to Isreal oppressed people in west bank and Gaza.


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: vicepope]
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2 billion dollars worth of 2000 pound aid bombs!


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
trepanationexprt said:
It’s quite simple. Stop sending money to israel and spend it on education at home. The easiest of concepts to understand.:thumbup:



How is that your take away. France doesn't even send aid to Isreal just sends aid to Isreal oppressed people in west bank and Gaza.



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it charts “more than 525 shipments of military goods (that) have been shipped from French manufacturers to Israeli defence and aerospace industries” between October 2023 and March 2026.



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The report by Urgence Palestine and People’s Embargo for Palestine also details the important role played by French airports and seaports as transport hubs for military shipments to Israel, notably from the US. It states that the FedEx hub at Roissy-Charles de Gaulle handled 117 shipments carrying Lockheed Martin components that are crucial to the maintenance and repair of Israel’s fleet of F-35 jets.



https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260408-french-arms-exports-to-israel-a-continuous-pipeline-of-military-hardware:finger:


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: trepanationexprt]
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Private military companies in France isn't the France government.

"There is no evidence that Elbit Systems receives funding from the French government. In fact, relations between the French government and Israeli defense companies like Elbit Systems have been highly restrictive, with French authorities repeatedly placing bans or strict limits on Israeli defense contractors at major Paris weapon exhibitions"


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: trepanationexprt] * 1
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Why are you being so intellectually dishonest here?  First, you said that they can "stop sending money to israel."  When you got pushback on the veracity of that, you post a source about French manufacturers selling to Israel.  Those aren't the same thing at all. They're wholly unrelated, in fact.

A private company based in France selling products to Israel is not France sending money to Israel.


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: Enlil]
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Why are you being so intellectually dishonest here?  First, you said that they can "stop sending money to israel."  When you got pushback on the veracity of that, you post a source about French manufacturers selling to Israel.



You do realize the French government supports the private weapons manufacturing sector.Government backed investment, research grants, etc. Basically the money used to prop the private company up could've been used on maybe manufacturing something that wasn't sent overseas. I don't think that's the craziest idea.


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the original point of the thread has nothing to do with israel , israel was bought up by someone for no reason to do with this thread and everything to do with someone wanting it in here.

yes money needs to be spent on education, though obviously somewhere else :grin:

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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: pugster]
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pugster said:
the original point of the thread has nothing to do with israel , israel was bought up by someone for no reason to do with this thread and everything to do with someone wanting it in here.

yes money needs to be spent on education, though obviously somewhere else :grin:



I still say education spending isn't why they are rioting.  I blame the young not wanting to pay rent. So they can focus on drugs use. Plus rioting is fun.


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Re: European countries are burning again cause of socialism ideals. [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
pugster said:
the original point of the thread has nothing to do with israel , israel was bought up by someone for no reason to do with this thread and everything to do with someone wanting it in here.

yes money needs to be spent on education, though obviously somewhere else :grin:



I still say education spending isn't why they are rioting.  I blame the young not wanting to pay rent. So they can focus on drugs use. Plus rioting is fun.



no education is not the main point of why they are rioting , theres lots of reasons.
my point about education has nothing to do with the thread and everything to do with who ive replied to when mentioning it.

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The news media keep saying that students are rioting about education funding. Then cost of living.


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