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...But literally acting like presidents have been fucking warrior philosophers until the ghost of Hitler rose with Donald J Trump is the dumbest thing a political party has ever done and should be studied for decades.

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...yes, by acting like unhinged, deranged, divorced from reality megalomaniacs...

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AlChemicalResearch said:

yes, by acting like unhinged, deranged, divorced from reality megalomaniacs, people who otherwise wouldn't have voted for Trump will vote for Trump when they realize there is a gap between the criticisms thrown at Trump vs the reality of Trump. At least it's been so for the majority of his time in politics. The crypto thing and the Iran War kind of have changed people's minds. But literally acting like presidents have been fucking warrior philosophers until the ghost of Hitler rose with Donald J Trump is the dumbest thing a political party has ever done and should be studied for decades.

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vicepope said:

Its a lazy comparison.

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Lynnch said:

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No. Nobody thinks that. That is your strawman you created to support your asinine argument.

"People compared him to hitler, but he's not literally hitler, therefore I will vote for him now" Is a fucking retarded reason to vote for a president. I know most republican voters are obstinate children, but you're saying they are completely thoughtless sheep?

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Bro, we were here for the Q-Anon days. The right wing has been thrashing around in deep delusions for about a decade now.

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GerryD said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

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vicepope said:

Could always make the argument for insider trading being legal as president  because official acts have happen for legal reasons beforehand.  Example President Theodore Roosevelt stopped Anthracite Coal Strike of 1902.  He stopped economic problems thus trump has economic power to fix problems. And such problems is he isn't profiting enough.

Lawyers can stretch that out after he leaves office for few years. Meanwhile trump dies and nothing happens with his family wealth.

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His insider trading isn’t helping fix any problems.  Even if an official act is necessary for economic stability it’s his own choice to profit.  And he’s doing so at the expense of the American people.  His swing trading of the market based on his own press comments (for example: the tariffs-on / tariffs-off orders, the dozens of comments about an Iran peace deal being imminent) manipulated markets in a way that made him money and cost taxpayers with higher prices and market volatility.

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Not saying that is something the President should be doing, but you could make money off it too. Just saying.

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Well that’s certainly true.  And if I had an extra 100K a month Donald Trump would be happy to sell me the information early so I could make even more money.

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sudly said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

sudly said:

Bush pushed trillions into military corporations. I agree with that.

But Bush didnt enrich himself to the tune of billions.

If he had stocks in the corporations he was overseeing contracts for, it would help to compare it to trump to see the difference in scale.

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so you're taking issue with the fact Trump didn't launder his corruption correctly?

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Youre just agreeing that Bush didnt do what trump did?

Bush didnt personally profit anywhere near the same scale as trump.

They both push money to military contracts, but Bush wasnt invested in the corporations he oversaw the contracts of.

Do you understand that distinction?

Self enrichment!

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gww said:

You cannot say both of what you are saying.  It is illogical.  You saying stuff is bad and with no input, people would recognize it and not vote for him.  Then you say it is not bad if somebody says anything as they are voting for the bad if somebody says he is bad and it doesn't fit the bad they think that was going to stop them from voting for him.  I say they were going to vote for him and are just looking for and excuse and would have found a different one but that is what they landed on for doing what they wanted to do.

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gww said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

GerryD said:

vicepope said:

Could always make the argument for insider trading being legal as president  because official acts have happen for legal reasons beforehand.  Example President Theodore Roosevelt stopped Anthracite Coal Strike of 1902.  He stopped economic problems thus trump has economic power to fix problems. And such problems is he isn't profiting enough.

Lawyers can stretch that out after he leaves office for few years. Meanwhile trump dies and nothing happens with his family wealth.

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His insider trading isn’t helping fix any problems.  Even if an official act is necessary for economic stability it’s his own choice to profit.  And he’s doing so at the expense of the American people.  His swing trading of the market based on his own press comments (for example: the tariffs-on / tariffs-off orders, the dozens of comments about an Iran peace deal being imminent) manipulated markets in a way that made him money and cost taxpayers with higher prices and market volatility.

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Not saying that is something the President should be doing, but you could make money off it too. Just saying.

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That is not necessarily true.  You would have to win president first, because they want to put staff members or soldiers in jail for such stuff.

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AlChemicalResearch said:

Qanon is a drop in teh bucket compared to where the modern day left is at. Both in size, scale, and depth of delusion.

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the left: housing and health care for all

qanon: hilary wears human skin and scares children to harvest a fake chemical in the basement of a pizza place that has no basement.

clearly the left is insane.

mushboy said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

Qanon is a drop in teh bucket compared to where the modern day left is at. Both in size, scale, and depth of delusion.

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the left: housing and health care for all

qanon: hilary wears human skin and scares children to harvest a fake chemical in the basement of a pizza place that has no basement.

clearly the left is insane.

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AlChemicalResearch said:

sudly said:

AlChemicalResearch said:

sudly said:

Bush pushed trillions into military corporations. I agree with that.

But Bush didnt enrich himself to the tune of billions.

If he had stocks in the corporations he was overseeing contracts for, it would help to compare it to trump to see the difference in scale.

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so you're taking issue with the fact Trump didn't launder his corruption correctly?

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Youre just agreeing that Bush didnt do what trump did?

Bush didnt personally profit anywhere near the same scale as trump.

They both push money to military contracts, but Bush wasnt invested in the corporations he oversaw the contracts of.

Do you understand that distinction?

Self enrichment!

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I don't think you understand the concept of a shell company or tax shielding.

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Did Bush do any of those? To enrich himself to the extent of billions?

The 'left' is a broad statement, the criticisms of trump are different between corporatists and progressives.

No one needs to mention hitler or anyone else to criticise what trump and his administration have done and are doing.

Saying people dont have real criticisms of trump is an intervention worthy thing to say imo.

Some people are too far gone, like to say that people dont have real criticisms of trump? Thats an intervention requiring stetement if I've ever heard one

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Oh yes, let's not forget the corruption that occurred with the mining industry in the early 1900s. I mean Warren G Harding literally dropped bombs from airplanes on striking coal miners to break up that protest. And ICE is being called the personal Gestapo.

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Oh yes, let's not forget the corruption that occurred with the mining industry in the early 1900s. I mean Warren G Harding literally dropped bombs from airplanes on striking coal miners to break up that protest. And ICE is being called the personal Gestapo.

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I rather not go back to making striking illegal, which is what conservatives and even liberals are kinda pushing for

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