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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon]
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Well you were accusing me of positions I had not taken yet in your comments and trying to discount what you hadn't read.  I let what seemed to me a similar incident earlier in the thread go with out response.

Edited by gww (09/17/26 10:59 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Holybullshit]
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Wasn't wholly directed at you or accusing you specifically of saying certain things. More of a general statement on bias and statistics. Anyway I found the source study(s).

https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports

Looks fairly thorough and good for Ukraine's government.

Holybullshit said:
I only ever see pro Russian individuals calling for elections in Ukraine. A majority of Ukrainian's don't want elections until the war is over, and unless that changes I see no reason to force the issue.



Another way of interpreting that is "A majority of Ukrainian's are afraid of being accused of being pro Russian if they call for elections."

Edited by Icon (09/18/26 12:00 AM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon] * 1
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Your first point.  Fair enough.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww] * 2
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The whole paragraph makes you look stupid (My comments in parentheses):

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Also interesting how they can hold polls but not elections? (They didn't) And I assume the government is running the poll.(Wrong) Where's the concern that they adequately polled people in occupied territory? (Why would there be?) No fearmongering that polled people in occupied land can't be trusted to answer the poll honestly with Russian guns at their back? (Again, irrelevant because it's not an election) No mocking Ukrainians that volunteered to carry Trump-supplied weapons into battle for orange god? (The war started under Obama's term, homie) No mocking Zelenskyy for licking the boot clean, even after we treated him like disposable trash and forced him to sign away half their natural resources? (What's that got to do with elections?) You guys are so inconsistent.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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Quote:
## The Facts on Obama's Aid

* Non-Lethal Policy: The Obama administration declined requests from Ukraine to send lethal weapons like Javelin anti-tank missiles, fearing it might provoke a wider escalation with Russia. [2]
* Beyond Blankets: While critics often reduce the aid package to "blankets and pillows," the administration supplied over $200 million in non-lethal security assistance. This included counter-mortar radars, night-vision devices, medical supplies, and more than 200 armored Humvees. [3, 4, 5]

## The Facts on Trump's Aid

* Lethal Sales Approved: In 2017, the Trump administration reversed the previous policy and approved the sale of lethal defensive weapons, including Javelin anti-tank missiles. [6, 7]
* Continuation of Non-Lethal Support: The packages provided under Trump also included non-lethal equipment like radar and medical gear, alongside the newly approved anti-tank systems. [5]


[1] [https://www.latimes.com](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-11-24/ukraine-fiona-hill-missiles)
[2] [https://spectrumnews1.com](https://spectrumnews1.com/wi/madison/ap-top-news/2022/03/27/ap-fact-check-trump-distorts-obama-biden-aid-to-ukraine)
[3] [https://mainichi.jp](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220328/p2g/00m/0in/016000c)
[4] [https://www.independent.co.uk](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-weapons-putin-invasion-b2027788.html)
[5] [https://www.cnn.com](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-ukraine-military-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check)
[6] [https://www.congress.gov](https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110281/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20191204-SD166.pdf)
[7] [https://www.whitehouse.gov](https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2025/02/president-trump-vp-vance-are-standing-up-for-americans/)




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon]
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You are moving the goal post.  Your real thing seems to be support or hate for trump.  Conflating what went on with obama and trump cannot be done fairly by just looking at the surface.  During obama, ukraine had a russian puppet president that had just fled to russia and it was not clear how that would pan out.  They were not the same decision being made with the same info and to think otherwise is a disservice to how we got here.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww]
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Idk about all that. My point is Trump started lethally arming and training Ukraine five years before the invasion under Biden. Apparently Obama had a status quo, idk much about the those years of the conflict. If Ukraine had a pro-russian puppet president, why were they asking Obama and Trump for weapons?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon]
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Cause when the puppet president left putin moved into crimea.  Biden was the second invasion for the whole ball of wax.

Edited by gww (09/18/26 01:08 AM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww]
    #29672008 -

Is a net positive or net negative when I call this thread out for continuously entertaining posters that lie with almost everything they say?

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #29672015 -

I really don't know.  I keep my fingers crossed for positive.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww] * 1
    #29672021 -

I'm cool with that answer. :mushroom2: :rockon: :strokebeard: :bananamusic:

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Oh look...not a single suggestion about how an election could even be held.  Who could have predicted that????

Your logic is unassailable, though.

Ecstatic: He's ending democracy by not having elections

Logic: It's impossible to have a fair election in occupied ukraine

Ecstatic: So? He's not having elections!



I’m being glib.

Ukraine never had a democracy to begin with.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Are you guys ready for our governments to attempt to roll out mandatory service? They've been really active in dusting off old conscription/draft laws the past few years and drastically changing the rhetoric around involuntary military service in virtually every western nation.



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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: True North]
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"Save their country".
He should go then.
These people shouldn't have waited for so long if they wanted a populace willing to die for them. They let the nations they want to wield as disposable chattel deteriorate way too much.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: towndaze]
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Damn no wonder we had a revolution. Who could listen to arrogant Brits talk in that tone.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon]
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Russian elections just landed.

Weird how term limits and dictatorships don't mix.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: towndaze]
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And I wonder if he'll be sending any of his fighting-aged children to the frontlines? It's interesting how they're beating the war drums now that our nations devolved into low-trust societies that are being held together by duct tape.


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I sexually identify as an Apache (Mohawk) attack helicopter

"Lift heavy stone, make head sad voice quiet"
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: True North]
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Rip oleshky city.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: vicepope] * 3
    #29677960 -

as someone who lives in the UK i can tell you straight...

jacob rees mogg (in the above video) is a weapons grade class A 'upper class' cnut , who no one in the UK takes any notice of (thats why hes using youtube as a platform)  - if he wants mandatory service i recommend his children and relatives should be used first as cannon fodder.

*only a few months back surveys were done regarding a draft and fighting for the UK , iirc over half said no they would refuse ( with a lot stating 'why support a country that no longer supports me' )

Edited by pugster (09/25/26 10:35 AM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: pugster]
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Those hands, man you know he's ready to pitch in and do his part at the twit Olympics.

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