Holybullshit said:

I only ever see pro Russian individuals calling for elections in Ukraine. A majority of Ukrainian's don't want elections until the war is over, and unless that changes I see no reason to force the issue.

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Also interesting how they can hold polls but not elections? (They didn't) And I assume the government is running the poll.(Wrong) Where's the concern that they adequately polled people in occupied territory? (Why would there be?) No fearmongering that polled people in occupied land can't be trusted to answer the poll honestly with Russian guns at their back? (Again, irrelevant because it's not an election) No mocking Ukrainians that volunteered to carry Trump-supplied weapons into battle for orange god? (The war started under Obama's term, homie) No mocking Zelenskyy for licking the boot clean, even after we treated him like disposable trash and forced him to sign away half their natural resources? (What's that got to do with elections?) You guys are so inconsistent.

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## The Facts on Obama's Aid

* Non-Lethal Policy: The Obama administration declined requests from Ukraine to send lethal weapons like Javelin anti-tank missiles, fearing it might provoke a wider escalation with Russia. [2]
* Beyond Blankets: While critics often reduce the aid package to "blankets and pillows," the administration supplied over $200 million in non-lethal security assistance. This included counter-mortar radars, night-vision devices, medical supplies, and more than 200 armored Humvees. [3, 4, 5]

## The Facts on Trump's Aid

* Lethal Sales Approved: In 2017, the Trump administration reversed the previous policy and approved the sale of lethal defensive weapons, including Javelin anti-tank missiles. [6, 7]
* Continuation of Non-Lethal Support: The packages provided under Trump also included non-lethal equipment like radar and medical gear, alongside the newly approved anti-tank systems. [5]


[1] [https://www.latimes.com](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-11-24/ukraine-fiona-hill-missiles)
[2] [https://spectrumnews1.com](https://spectrumnews1.com/wi/madison/ap-top-news/2022/03/27/ap-fact-check-trump-distorts-obama-biden-aid-to-ukraine)
[3] [https://mainichi.jp](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20220328/p2g/00m/0in/016000c)
[4] [https://www.independent.co.uk](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-weapons-putin-invasion-b2027788.html)
[5] [https://www.cnn.com](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-ukraine-military-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check)
[6] [https://www.congress.gov](https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110281/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20191204-SD166.pdf)
[7] [https://www.whitehouse.gov](https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2025/02/president-trump-vp-vance-are-standing-up-for-americans/)

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Enlil said:

Oh look...not a single suggestion about how an election could even be held.  Who could have predicted that????

Your logic is unassailable, though.

Ecstatic: He's ending democracy by not having elections

Logic: It's impossible to have a fair election in occupied ukraine

Ecstatic: So? He's not having elections!

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