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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: vicepope]
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I only ever see pro Russian individuals calling for elections in Ukraine. A majority of Ukrainian's don't want elections until the war is over, and unless that changes I see no reason to force the issue.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
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Holybullshit said:
I only ever see pro Russian individuals calling for elections in Ukraine. A majority of Ukrainian's don't want elections until the war is over, and unless that changes I see no reason to force the issue.



Where your source saying that Ukrainians don't want an election?

lifeiswhatyoumake said:
Who's winning the war meow?



Define winning.
Land grab is about equal for the summer.
https://www.edwardconard.com/macro-roundup/the-economist-estimates-one-in-25-russian-men-btw-the-ages-of-18-and-49-have-been-killed-or-wounded-in-ukraine-since-2022-csis-estimates-ukrainian-casualties-at-one-in-16-russian-losses-are-escalati/
Population death percentage of fight aged men favors Russian over Ukraine.  Economy's Russian is suffering more but Ukrainen has regressed to a heavy farming instead of heavy metal mining.
So what matric are you asking about.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: vicepope]
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No one needs to be declared as winning, its an ongoing war. There's just what's happening on the ground.

According to that link you just shared, almost double the amount of russians have died and been injured, and russian deaths are only increasing. Deaths as a percentage of population isnt the most important metric here..

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How Russia’s Fatalities Compare With Ukraine’s Economist Staff The EconomistFebruary 25, 2026DatabaseThe Economist estimates one in 25 Russian men btw the ages of 18 and 49 have been killed or wounded in Ukraine since 2022. CSIS estimates Ukrainian casualties at one in 16. Russian losses are escalating; today it is “losing more men than it can recruit.”

Our model suggests that Russian casualties are now between 1.1m and 1.4m, of whom 230,000-430,000 are dead. That would mean one in 25 Russian men between the ages of 18 and 49 may have been killed or severely wounded since the start of the full-scale war. There are too few reliable estimates of Ukrainian deaths to construct a similar meta-estimate. One single estimate, published on January 27th by CSIS, a think-tank, put total Ukrainian casualties at 600,000 as of December, including 100,000-140,000 dead. Though much lower than Russia’s casualties in absolute terms, as a share of its population it is higher—equivalent to about one in 16 Ukrainian men aged 18-49 before the war. These figures exclude civilian deaths, for which reliable data are scarcer still. Ukrainian losses appeared heaviest early in the war: American officials estimated that 70,000 soldiers had already been killed by August 2023.

Russia’s campaign, by contrast, has only grown bloodier. Some estimates suggest that it is now losing roughly 1,000 soldiers a day. Our modelling shows that as many may have died in the past year as in the first three combined. It is losing more men than it can recruit.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: sudly] * 2
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When shit goes too far and falls apart in Russia it's not going to be some kind of gentle election loss or protest - Putin has made 'offgassing' impossible - it has to be all the way, and heavy - ala Prigozhin (except actually follow through) - RT readers won't see it coming.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: twighead]
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election during wartime is just stupid , as for sources theres plenty out there regarding the Ukrainian peoples wishs on it ( and im sure theres stuff out there that says the opposite , they are at war and theres a lot of misinformation being spread - which is part of it)

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/online-exclusive/why-ukraines-elections-can-wait/

https://english.nv.ua/nation/zelenskyy-ukrainians-not-focused-on-elections-until-war-ends-50490313.html

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukrainians-are-proudly-democratic-but-resoundingly-reject-wartime-elections/

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: vicepope]
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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Holybullshit] * 1
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Holybullshit said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wartime-election-would-destroy-ukraine-zelenskiy-says-2026-08-23/



So your source still say 57% of Ukrainian's want an election but there president refuses. ""I believe that ​if we want to destroy the country, then we can move towards elections ​during this kind of war," Zelenskiy said."
He refuses one not because it would destroy Ukrainians people but because he lose to better candidates. He pulling a Benjamin Netanyahu right now.

If trump canceled the election because we were at war with Iran,  we would riot and burn down the white house and you know it.
Usa handles ballots for military on duty just fine.

https://www.fvap.gov/military-voter
President Zelenskiy is full of shit with democracy just like most European countries.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: vicepope] * 1
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Why do you lie so much?  It says 57 percent only want an election after the fighting ends.  You do this all the time.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww]
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lol , trump is burning your country into the ground and no one is doing anything.

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: pugster]
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Maybe, or maybe it isn't over.  Midterms are right around the corner.  But, yes, terrible damage is being done and I am amazed by my fellow americans joining a cult and the republicans all being in the cult and not doing thier jobs.  I really can't believe how many of us are that dumb.  I said dumb instead of selfish because you would have to be a billionaire for it to be working for you short term.

Edited by gww (09/17/26 03:03 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: vicepope] * 1
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vicepope said:
Holybullshit said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wartime-election-would-destroy-ukraine-zelenskiy-says-2026-08-23/



So your source still say 57% of Ukrainian's want an election but there president refuses. ""I believe that ​if we want to destroy the country, then we can move towards elections ​during this kind of war," Zelenskiy said."
He refuses one not because it would destroy Ukrainians people but because he lose to better candidates. He pulling a Benjamin Netanyahu right now.

If trump canceled the election because we were at war with Iran,  we would riot and burn down the white house and you know it.
Usa handles ballots for military on duty just fine.

https://www.fvap.gov/military-voter
President Zelenskiy is full of shit with democracy just like most European countries.



The analogy would be if Iran had invaded and taken over Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico.

Trumps trying to put his thumb on the election by making voting harder, with IDs alone not enough, to stop mail in ballots, which got struck down by the supreme court, and places like Texas have closed 90 polling locations.

Also, its rich for you to say anyones full of shit when youre saying,
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Vicepope said So your source still say 57% of Ukrainian's want an election but there president refuses.



Because the source clearly says,
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An August 5 poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology found that 57% of Ukrainians want elections only ​after fighting ends.




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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww]
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gww said:
Why do you lie so much?  It says 57 percent only want an election after the fighting ends.  You do this all the time.



If a statistic said 57% of Russians believe Putin was elected fairly, you'd all toss that as propaganda or terrified citizens being coerced. And sure, maybe.

But you guys never question Ukrainians. No chance in your mind that Ukrainians would also be susceptible to an authoritarian government that can legally perpetuate, whether they support the war or not.

Also interesting how they can hold polls but not elections? And I assume the government is running the poll. Where's the concern that they adequately polled people in occupied territory? No fearmongering that polled people in occupied land can't be trusted to answer the poll honestly with Russian guns at their back? No mocking Ukrainians that volunteered to carry Trump-supplied weapons into battle for orange god? No mocking Zelenskyy for licking the boot clean, even after we treated him like disposable trash and forced him to sign away half their natural resources? You guys are so inconsistent.

Edited by Icon (09/17/26 07:53 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon] * 1
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You highlighted what I wrote.  I ask you, what the fuck does what you wrote have to do with vice lying about what was in a link?  What are you doing?

Edited by gww (09/17/26 07:35 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww]
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Yes, good catch for you. Now apply that scrutiny to Ukraine too. Of course they're not going to publish a poll that says "majority have lost faith in our leadership, think this was dumb, and want it to end".

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: gww]
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Icon
Holybullshit said.
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I only ever see pro Russian individuals calling for elections in Ukraine. A majority of Ukrainian's don't want elections until the war is over, and unless that changes I see no reason to force the issue.



I am good with that.  You accused before I got a chance to say it though I did say zelenskyy was a hero earlier.

Edited by gww (09/17/26 08:25 PM)

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon] * 1
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Icon said:
gww said:
Why do you lie so much?  It says 57 percent only want an election after the fighting ends.  You do this all the time.



If a statistic said 57% of Russians believe Putin was elected fairly, you'd all toss that as propaganda or terrified citizens being coerced. And sure, maybe.

But you guys never question Ukrainians. No chance in your mind that Ukrainians would also be susceptible to an authoritarian government that can legally perpetuate, whether they support the war or not.

Also interesting how they can hold polls but not elections? And I assume the government is running the poll. Where's the concern that they adequately polled people in occupied territory? No fearmongering that polled people in occupied land can't be trusted to answer the poll honestly with Russian guns at their back? No mocking Ukrainians that volunteered to carry Trump-supplied weapons into battle for orange god? No mocking Zelenskyy for licking the boot clean, even after we treated him like disposable trash and forced him to sign away half their natural resources? You guys are so inconsistent.



most people on both sides want peace about 67% in both ukraine and russia - but Putin will always bear the blame here - and war fatigue has a bigger influence on the aggressor nation, as the initiator of the conflict they can simply withdraw


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon]
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Icon said:
gww said:
Why do you lie so much?  It says 57 percent only want an election after the fighting ends.  You do this all the time.



If a statistic said 57% of Russians believe Putin was elected fairly, you'd all toss that as propaganda or terrified citizens being coerced. And sure, maybe.

But you guys never question Ukrainians. No chance in your mind that Ukrainians would also be susceptible to an authoritarian government that can legally perpetuate, whether they support the war or not.

Also interesting how they can hold polls but not elections? And I assume the government is running the poll. Where's the concern that they adequately polled people in occupied territory? No fearmongering that polled people in occupied land can't be trusted to answer the poll honestly with Russian guns at their back? No mocking Ukrainians that volunteered to carry Trump-supplied weapons into battle for orange god? No mocking Zelenskyy for licking the boot clean, even after we treated him like disposable trash and forced him to sign away half their natural resources? You guys are so inconsistent.



Read before posting.  The poll was not done by the government.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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I can’t read ppv media

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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Icon] * 4
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Then don't comment on it. You make yourself look really stupid when you discuss things you havent read.


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Re: The Official Ukraine War Thread. [Re: Enlil]
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So just that one sentence about assuming the government ran the poll is stupid? The rest checks out?

Or which fallacy is it that makes my whole post stupid just because you nitpicked one assumption?

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