The Ecstatic said:

Curious what the ride or die Slava Ukrainis in here think about Zelenskyy ending democracy.

Worth?

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sudly said:

The Ecstatic said:

Curious what the ride or die Slava Ukrainis in here think about Zelenskyy ending democracy.

Worth?

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What about why there aren't elections?

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sudly said:

The Ecstatic said:

Curious what the ride or die Slava Ukrainis in here think about Zelenskyy ending democracy.

Worth?

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What about why there aren't elections?

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What stands in the way of holding elections in Ukraine?

Historically, very few countries have held elections in wartime, Konstantin Sonin, a professor at the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy, tells TIME, adding that it's very unlikely for an election to happen in Ukraine.

A ceasefire would first be needed—but Sonin says it’s unlikely that Ukraine would trust any assurances from Russia.

“I cannot imagine that Ukraine would rely on any kind of guarantees from Russia to have elections,” Sonin tells TIME. “[Concerns about] Russian election interference are half of the problem.”

Sonin says that there are also many “practical limitations” to putting the necessary technology and infrastructure in place for a secure vote.

“The main limitation is that it's difficult to count votes from the occupied territories,” he says. 

Russia occupies roughly 19% of Ukraine. According to Ukrainian figures from January of that year, there could be as many as 4.5 million adults living in those occupied territories. Millions more Ukrainians have been internally displaced.

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Enlil said:

I guarantee you that ecstatic won't address any of that in a meaningful way.  He doesn't actually think that fair elections can happen in occupied Ukraine.  He just wants to keep it very surface so he can claim that it's Zelensky who is anti-democratic instead of Russia.  If he thought elections could take place, he'd offer suggestions about how it can be done.

Meanwhile, Russia hasn't had a fair election in decades and Putin has killed political rivals.

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I guarantee you that ecstatic won't address any of that in a meaningful way.

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He sidestepped the whole thing

Bigbadwooof said:

Enlil said:

I guarantee you that ecstatic won't address any of that in a meaningful way.  He doesn't actually think that fair elections can happen in occupied Ukraine.  He just wants to keep it very surface so he can claim that it's Zelensky who is anti-democratic instead of Russia.  If he thought elections could take place, he'd offer suggestions about how it can be done.

Meanwhile, Russia hasn't had a fair election in decades and Putin has killed political rivals.

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Why are you "what-abouting" with Russia...

That is irrelevant.

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Icon said:

Well don’t be a hypocrite. Where is your evidence / suggestions that Russian elections aren’t as fair as they should be? Or are you just keeping it surface level

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Enlil said:

It is highly relevant.  Russia occupies a large portion of Ukraine.  How can you expect Russia to allow Ukraine to have a fair election in those portions if they can't have fair elections in their homeland?  Russia's ability/will to hold fair elections is directly relevant to any election Ukraine might hold on land controlled by Russia.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Enlil said:

It is highly relevant.  Russia occupies a large portion of Ukraine.  How can you expect Russia to allow Ukraine to have a fair election in those portions if they can't have fair elections in their homeland?  Russia's ability/will to hold fair elections is directly relevant to any election Ukraine might hold on land controlled by Russia.

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The obvious answer is to hold an election in the unoccupied territories. It's not perfect, but it's better than no election.

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Enlil said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Enlil said:

It is highly relevant.  Russia occupies a large portion of Ukraine.  How can you expect Russia to allow Ukraine to have a fair election in those portions if they can't have fair elections in their homeland?  Russia's ability/will to hold fair elections is directly relevant to any election Ukraine might hold on land controlled by Russia.

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The obvious answer is to hold an election in the unoccupied territories. It's not perfect, but it's better than no election.

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So an election ignoring a huge portion of the population is an obvious answer?  Nice hot take.

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