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Is the Ban lotto rigged?!?
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So... I've been playin' the ban lotto for years, and there have been many whistle blowers claiming that it's rigged the whole time. As far as I can tell the only attention it gets is a weekly automated winner announcement from Ythan's account. I'm concerned the ban lotto might be unfair merely becuase it's bugged due to years of neglect, instead of being deliberatly rigged. Deep down I want to believe that Ythan personally adds his own personal taste of corruption to the results before he announces the winner every week, but I don't have any evidence to support that. I'd settle for a simple update at this point. I was wondering if we could add some stats to the game to help support claims that's it's rigged, and promote some addictive behaviors in the long time ban lotto loyalists and new members with addictive personalities. Something like a counter with the number of times won and number of times played would be a good start, and a ratio of the two could be put beside the numbers so the old ladies watching will know which slot machine to bet on next. I feel like an upgrade would add some spice detection and street cred to the game.

Please give the :heart:ban lotto:heart: some love.

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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So, we select a winner for the ban lottery using a pseudorandom number generator (specifically MySql's ORDER BY RAND). While not cryptographically secure, the results are statistically uniform so each entry has an equal chance of being selected. Any apparent pattern in results is either due to how frequently different people enter, or just the luck of the draw. Of course, that's exactly what I'd say if I actually was fixing the results. And you'd never know the difference. :evil:



I can add a leaderboard, I was just wary of introducing more clutter to the page. But these days it's easy to make it collapsible. So that's implemented, you can click the "Complete rankings" link to view all the winners.

The problem with the more advanced statistics you envision is that we've never saved all ban lotto entries. Back when it was created in 2005 I had no idea it would go on to become such a fixture in OTD. Originally we'd just select a winner, post the automatic announcement, and then clear the entries for next week. It was years later when I added information about past winners on the ban lottery page, and I had to go back through the thread and extract that information from the automatic announcements to populate the results initially. But there wasn't a way to find historic information about who entered, so any implementation would only work going forward. That would exclude a lot of all time OTD greats from consideration, so I decided to forego that functionality. But I have given the ban lottery some love in recent memory when I added the shower thoughts for the winners. :shrug:

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Ythan]
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i think if you measure static radio waves you can guarantee real randomness


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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: gopher] * 1
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Modern CPUs include a hardware random number generator, I believe they use thermal noise as the source of entropy.

The hardware RNG is used to help seed the pseudorandom algorithm which generates random values for stuff like MySql.

True randomness is completely unpredictable, and pseudorandomness is predictable if you know the seed, but they work the same for stuff like drawing a winner in the ban lotto. I don't think it's usually an important distinction outside cryptography.

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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If the moon was made of cheese would somebody have eaten all of it by now?

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Ythan]
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Ythan said:
So, we select a winner for the ban lottery using a pseudorandom number generator (specifically MySql's ORDER BY RAND). While not cryptographically secure, the results are statistically uniform so each entry has an equal chance of being selected. Any apparent pattern in results is either due to how frequently different people enter, or just the luck of the draw. Of course, that's exactly what I'd say if I actually was fixing the results. And you'd never know the difference. :evil:



I can add a leaderboard, I was just wary of introducing more clutter to the page. But these days it's easy to make it collapsible. So that's implemented, you can click the "Complete rankings" link to view all the winners.

The problem with the more advanced statistics you envision is that we've never saved all ban lotto entries. Back when it was created in 2005 I had no idea it would go on to become such a fixture in OTD. Originally we'd just select a winner, post the automatic announcement, and then clear the entries for next week. It was years later when I added information about past winners on the ban lottery page, and I had to go back through the thread and extract that information from the automatic announcements to populate the results initially. But there wasn't a way to find historic information about who entered, so any implementation would only work going forward. That would exclude a lot of all time OTD greats from consideration, so I decided to forego that functionality. But I have given the ban lottery some love in recent memory when I added the shower thoughts for the winners. :shrug:



There's a word for what it has to become.
Beloved.
I would still like to have the person who won the largest lottery presented at the top.
That's something that should be kept track of I feel. That way we have something to strive for.

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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A leader board would be worthy. there could be some measure of recent participation or something like that too. Number of plays over the last year or month maybe.

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Ythan]
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Ythan said:
I can add a leaderboard, I was just wary of introducing more clutter to the page. But these days it's easy to make it collapsible. So that's implemented, you can click the "Complete rankings" link to view all the winners.



This seems to imply that there is already a "Complete rankings" link, but I don't see it on the banlottery.php page.


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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Enlil]
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Oh whoops I thought it was enabled, try now.

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Ythan]
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So, in other words...it was rigged the whole time.

I fucking knew it!

The leaderboard does work now, though.


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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Enlil]
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Okay. I reviewed the leader boards, and I'm happy to see that Im (" ' "deliberlitly omitted for offense) well above enlil (deliberate lower case first letter for offensive purposives) in the rankings, so the ban lotto must be honestly rigged with integrity. Long Live The Ban Lotto (again, diliberate capitalization of The, against conventional standards).

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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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The ban lotto isn’t rigged, Lightningfractal does a great job picking who gets banned every week :snub:


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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Asante]
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If the ban lotto wasn't rigged it would be an affront to the entire institution.


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Re: Is the Ban lotto rigged?!? [Re: Northerner] * 2
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I finally won. I'd like to thank all the staff members that rigged it in my favor.

:zappaisgod:

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