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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6569097 - 02/14/07 10:41 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

people fought hard to get an otd with VERY relaxed rules..i was one of them. many of the people werent even around when they almost killed the forum. now we have an extremely relaxed otd where "anything goes". so wait this is a forum where you are allowed to post offensive content, unless the content offends the masses then they can vote to ban you?? no, not gonna happen. maybe if these people want to vote people out of otd, it is them who dont understand the forum. it is them who probably shouldnt be posting there.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #6569102 - 02/14/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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i thinkt there is a poll about u where a vast majority voted you a tool at one point. so should u be banned...oh wait u cant be because ur a mod, which is why u dont care




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I'm not sure if you do not care for it because it involves you in some manner, but I know that, if he were to create a similar poll asking about me, not only would a lot of people in OTD vote yes, but I wouldn't care. I've probably annoyed them a lot, and if the vast majority doesn't want me there, then why should I be there? To troll them? :what:




I don't care because I wouldn't be broken up if OTD casted me out. I'm not attached to the forum and rarely stop in. Maybe if I wanted their love and admiration, then I'd be concerned about them voting me out, but, if that was the case, maybe I wouldn't constantly antagonize them by making post after post after post of stupid shit (not me doing that, speaking of some those whose actions are likely the source of this proposal). :grin:

"Oh boo hoo, these morons in OTD don't care for me, I post continuously about how stupid and moron-like they are, almost everyone there voted to kick me out, but I'm still broken up about it because I want to be accepted by them"? No, it just doesn't make any sense to hold that kind of view on the matter, now does it?


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6569105 - 02/14/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I'm really starting to like you.

PS: I'm going to ignore any other input from KoTT in this thread.

Constructive criticism and comments only, please.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6569108 - 02/14/07 10:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Hanky's idea sucks and it's all about creating strife, mass drama, and a flood of puppets in order to injure the Shroomery and it's members.




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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #6569116 - 02/14/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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so wait this is a forum where you are allowed to post offensive content, unless the content offends the masses then they can vote to ban you??




It isn't a response to being offended; it seems to be a response to those who are offended by the fact that they are ridiculed with offensive material, so they continue on and on in a dramatic, awkard way, trying to make it look like they don't care but the fact that they are commenting on it suggests that they are, etc. etc. etc. :lol:

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no, not gonna happen. maybe if these people want to vote people out of otd, it is them who dont understand the forum. it is them who probably shouldnt be posting there.




Who is them, the vast majority? The forum is the vast majority. What are you talking about?


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6569128 - 02/14/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Hanky's idea sucks and it's all about creating strife, mass drama, and a flood of puppets in order to injure the Shroomery and it's members.




What happens in OTD stays in OTD, so I just don't see what you are talking about. If someone who was banned from OTD created an army of puppets to flood OTD, then it clearly demonstrates that they are exactly the type of person that shouldn't have been in the forum in the first place.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6569143 - 02/14/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

The way I see it, the system wouldn't even be used to ban anyone if there wasn't persistent drama that they wished to expel from their forum.

Personally, I think the constant jokes about Rahie kicking in doors is hilarious, and the whole FungiRape thing was hilarious too. They could ban these members from their forum, but what would they post about? Their ridicule of these kinds of people is what makes OTD, OTD. :wink:


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6569149 - 02/14/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

ok im done going round and round with you. bottom line is you're wrong. the shroomery isnt a site where mob rule flies. they do a fine job running people out of there without giving them the power to ban people.

maybe hanky can just stick to running people out of otd by photoshopping a penis in the mouth of a member's 4yr old son...like he did to quiver.

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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6569156 - 02/14/07 10:56 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

You've said more for this idea than I ever could, your understanding of the intent and mechanics of the idea is awesome.

I'm forced to reassess my opionion of you.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #6569178 - 02/14/07 10:59 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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ok im done going round and round with you. bottom line is you're wrong. the shroomery isnt a site where mob rule flies. they do a fine job running people out of there without giving them the power to ban people.




We aren't talking about the entire Shroomery; we are referring to one specific forum, named OTD, which exists as an anomoly when compared to the rest of the Shroomery.

I can't comprehend what you speak of when you state "they do a fine job running people out of there". To me, it reads that they use their forum as the forum was intended to be, and occasionally someone who doesn't realize the nature of this forum (despite the warning in the forum index) wanders in and eventually bails. It just isn't a forum for them. You basically make it seem that OTD should be a forum for everyone, although it is not. It is an exception. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! *DELETED* [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #6569968 - 02/15/07 07:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6570039 - 02/15/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Fireworks_god, KOTT aside from making his personal preferences far from a secret, is actually voicing some serious concerns he has about the proposed feature, which definitely is ontopic in this thread.

KOTT is a veteran member as well, let's not stifle his concerns, though I agree with you that it would help if his concernes were less specific to Hanky.

Still, I share several of these concerns and think it would probably be bad for the Shroomery as well as OTD when this were put in effect.

The changed proposal, with ban reduced and permaban ommitted, seems more like a gimmick than a potential useful feature.

I think that is one of the main elements: is it useful? I don't think so. Blotting out certain users can be done perfectly well with the ignore feature, and this retains the minority right to still read the posts of a controversial member in their forum of choice.

Moderators already have the power to ban people that are truly disruptive to the flow of OTD. There is no need to extend that power to the members and turn it into a popularity contest.

I think the moderators on the average handle things well, and are conservative with taking away people's right to post.
Mob justice in control?

I share the concern with KOTT that this is just another form of OTD lynching, but that it gives lynchings legal status.
Mob justice shouldn't be the law.


Thai suggested an invitation-only "OTD veterans forum".

That would be the end of OTD, if the core of the forum turned inward and lost interest in interacting with the outside world, the newbies strays and puppets.
OTD would kill itself.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6570052 - 02/15/07 08:45 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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Hanky's idea sucks and it's all about creating strife, mass drama, and a flood of puppets in order to injure the Shroomery and it's members.




What happens in OTD stays in OTD, so I just don't see what you are talking about. If someone who was banned from OTD created an army of puppets to flood OTD, then it clearly demonstrates that they are exactly the type of person that shouldn't have been in the forum in the first place.




Self fulfilling prophecy. Sometimes if you lynch a member from a forum for no good reason, they'll probably react, yeah. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have been there in the first place. It means they shouldn't have been FUCKED WITH in the first place.

And, It's not just OTD. Basically Hanky wants to be the dictator of OTD Using his clique' to vote as a block against whoever he doesn't like. I've no doubt that the resulting drama would spill into other forums regularly.

OTD is supposed to be a place where every Shroomery member can go and blow off some steam. It really does not matter who likes you and who doesn't. That's why the enhanced ignore feature was made, and that's not enough for Hanky??

Na, I think he's here to ruin the Shroomery for everyone, so I expect he would not be satisfied with a passive solution.

Thankfully, I don't think the admins are going to be dumb enough to go for this.

If they do, I'm getting popcorn.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6570135 - 02/15/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I just don't see why we shouldn't give them what they want. It is OTD, after all, and if they want to ride someone out on a rail, then why not? It sounds as though it is what they want. Ignoring someone only goes so far; the fact that they are still posting in the forum means that they truly can't be ignored, as they are still influencing the forum itself.

LF proposes that OTD is a forum where anyone can go in there and fuck with the regulars and get on their nerves to "let off some steam", and all they are looking for is a place that they chill and have fun without having to worry about getting banned for saying nigger or posting dirty pictures. He proposes that it doesn't matter if the rest of the posters in OTD don't want that happening, because he asserts that is OTD and he should have the license to go in and irritate others. Its no wonder that he is the most ignored user, and yet he is still very much present in OTD. The ignore feature only goes so far.

Maybe the vast majority doesn't want to be fucked with in such a way in OTD? The forum, if the warning in the forum index is any indication, is not for everyone, and I'm not sure why those who constantly, persistently attempt to irritate and troll the forum should have equal rights as anyone else.

Ultimately, such a system would simply give the OTD regulars more say in what happens with their forum, and I don't understand how this is would be a negative for OTD - it'll only suck for the people who have already specificially stated, in this thread and in the one in OTD, that they only post in OTD to get negative attention from the crowd there. They are trolling OTD, and that isn't something a moderator can ban for, but it sounds like the people who represent OTD would like to change that.

I think that LF is also implying that "if they ban me, I'm just going to create some puppets and troll them further". I think this right there demonstrates the intent of some of those who oppose this idea - they enjoy trolling OTD and have no regard for the forum itself, to the point that when they are finally forced out by those who actually care about the forum, they will just create puppets. Its a malicious perspective and I think this raises the question of whose opinions on the matter we should consider when addressing what is best for OTD.


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    #6570139 - 02/15/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Scott Bennett]
    #6570158 - 02/15/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm sure it's hard to believe, but a few of us do like to talk to each other on a different level than apparent from the majority of our posts.





Definitely, and then you have to deal with assholes who are simply trying to get a rise out of you, and then ya'll are like damn, this guy sure makes himself look like a fool, but then they think its working so they keep going with it ad nauseum. :rolleyes:


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6570166 - 02/15/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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LF proposes that OTD is a forum where anyone can go in there and fuck with the regulars and get on their nerves




I stopped reading your reply there. Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #6570171 - 02/15/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So that isn't what you are saying? I do recall you referring to "blowing off steam", regardless of whether or not anyone cares for it...


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: Scott Bennett]
    #6570172 - 02/15/07 09:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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True enough.  Still, a place to go to talk to the vets when we don't feel like doing the regular OTD thing would be nice.  I'm sure it's hard to believe, but a few of us do like to talk to each other on a different level than apparent from the majority of our posts.

:shrug:

I'm sure I could never quit OTD.  I just can't enough.




i know where you can go and talk and not do the "otd thing", its called THE FUCKING PUB...or if you've been here long enough, try the ACTUAL veteran's forum. or if those options arent good enough for you. all you guys pool some cash, go buy http://www.hankysclubhouse.com, start a forums and vote on who you want to let in.

lets be honest too, if there was an otd vet forum, maybe i should be mod?? i mean ive been there longer than just about all of you (even a year or so longer than the reg date shows). wouldnt want that would ya?? yeah so maybe you should try one of the above options.


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Re: Poll based ban system for OTD! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #6570189 - 02/15/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

OTD is not The Pub, and it seems rather clear why OTD regulars would not be interested in going to The Pub to discuss whatever. You might have been in the forum for quite some time but I don't understand how that justifies your perspective on the matter as being in the best interest of the majority of people who post in the forum. :shrug:


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