Enlil said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Enlil said:

Government owning stores is not the government owning the means of production of goods.  It's not communism in any way whatsoever.

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I think you missed my point. These are the policies that Fox news and MAGA are calling Communist.

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I didn't know you were making a point.  I wasn't replying to you.  It's not all about you, you narcissistic fuck.

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Fair enough old man.

ballsalsa said:

No, Spock was the logical one

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I love how perfect that setup was.

sudly said:

lowbrow said:

Charlie Kirk said logical things that the woke thought was absolutely abhorrent because they work on feelz over realz.

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Kirk was pretty against the idea of attacking Iran..

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And be honest...you're not poor.  If given the choice between buying from a store with well-paid, well-supervised employees at full price or getting a 10% discount at a store staffed by very recently convicted people working for free and supervised by the department of corrections, which would you choose?

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Enlil said:

Philosophically, I believe that paying for the cost of enforcing the laws of the nation is firmly within the acceptable and expected burden that taxpayers should shoulder.  If prosecuting someone costs too much, fines can mitigate that.  Once we get into the business of using incarcerated people to perform tasks that paid employees used to do, we incentivize incarceration.  We already see this happening.  I can't see it as anything but slave labor.

On a more pragmatic note, it is one thing to put people on the side of the freeway cleaning trash.  It's another thing altogether to expect slaves to accurately/adequately stock shelves and clean a grocery store. 

And be honest...you're not poor.  If given the choice between buying from a store with well-paid, well-supervised employees at full price or getting a 10% discount at a store staffed by very recently convicted people working for free and supervised by the department of corrections, which would you choose?

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Enlil said:

sudly said:

Bigbadwooof said:

vicepope said:

What's the prices in the grocery store comrade.

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They are supposed to be cheaper than regular grocery stores. I guess we will see.

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Since the city owns them they don't have to pay rent.

I saw a breakdown once and it discussed how some grocery stores make 1 or 2% profit, so how can such a grocery store save 30%?

There's a lot of over head costs that wouldn't need to be paid, and that 1 or 2 percent is only pure profit, after accounting for beaurocratic expenditure.

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How do you know the city owns the building?  How do you know any given grocery store doesn't? This argument is fully unsupported.

What overhead does a privately owned store pay that a city owned one wouldn't?

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Icon said:

The idea makes sense to me. It's not incarceration, it's community service. If you give someone the option to spend six months in jail, or six months at home but they have to stock shelves 20hrs per week or something, what do you think people will choose? These work programs already exist and DSA national has a goal of abolishing prisons. You could pay them fairly, but that would be a real incentive for "incarceration".

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sudly said:

The system of prisons as for profit should be abolished.

But that doesnt mean prisons should be abolished.

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Icon said:

The idea makes sense to me. It's not incarceration, it's community service. If you give someone the option to spend six months in jail, or six months at home but they have to stock shelves 20hrs per week or something, what do you think people will choose? These work programs already exist and DSA national has a goal of abolishing prisons. You could pay them fairly, but that would be a real incentive for "incarceration".

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Enlil said:

When you are in a position that the state can tell you that you have to be at location X for a particular timespan or they will drag you to location Y for a longer timespan, that's called incarceration.

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sudly said:

The system of prisons as for profit should be abolished.

But that doesnt mean prisons should be abolished.

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Enlil said:

When you are in a position where the state can tell you that you have to be at location X for a particular timespan or they will drag you to location Y for a longer timespan, that's called incarceration.

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