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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 2
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Chiron098 said:
stop saying things out of your ass


Here's my perspective on this overall business of "you need hard data on potency before making any sort of statements":

The sum total of all potency and chemical composition data that have currently been collected are essentially useless for the purposes of this discussion. There are too many variables which haven't been adequately captured. This is still a cutting-edge area. People get confused and think "cutting edge" means awesome and high-tech. Which may be true. But what I'm saying is that the data that have been collected are essentially still exploratory, and drawing too many conclusions from them is not a great idea.

Conversely, many of us, myself included, have years of experience growing and eating psilocybes. Also, many of us, myself included, may not want to come right out and say what our academic/scientific backgrounds are, or what sort of scale we've been growing on. How many years of growing, and how many doses, does one need to have under their belt before they're no longer talking out their ass when commenting on this matter? How much should one be willing to sacrifice their stomach or their whole harvest in order to test some theory about low-temperature drying and risk introducing moisture into stored fruit?

I've eaten fruits from many different culture lines, at every stage of growth after various periods of storage. I haven't tested fresh fruits, but I have eaten a lot of them. No, I don't have any hard data to share. But my overall impression is that all the variables which determine initial potency of a picked fruit are far more important than the degradation caused by heated drying. In other words, I believe that if the data were available and we had clear graphs of everything, there would be far steeper curves associated with differences in potency from one culture to the next, potency per unit weight as compared to fruit development stage, etc. And yeah, I know, I don't have hard numbers to back this up. But I'm not making an assertion about absolute numbers. I'm making an assertion about relative variances. Anyone who's got decades of experience consuming pretty much any psychoactive substance should understand that this is exactly the sort of thing people develop an intuitive sense of.

Also, I remind you, this began with you asking whether an airfryer would work. With that as your starting point, it's a bit weird to switch all the way up and start telling people they're talking out of their ass for saying that a dehydrator- tailor made for this sort of work, unlike an airfryer- is pretty much just fine.

I will concede that there’s a whole lot I don't KNOW for certain. But there are two hills I'm willing to die on:

1. If you want the absolute most bang for your buck, and the full unaltered profile of actives, use fresh-picked fruit.

2. If you leave any residual moisture in your dried fruits, or introduce it later, you WILL eventually experience some amount of degradation, causing both potency loss and potential stomach issues.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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Smellyhobbit said:
Did we ever make a decision about the air fryer or?


I was thinking about a smoker, you know low oxygen low heat it's perfect.


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Edited by Turvenuija (05/25/26 04:36 PM)

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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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some guys already said is a bad idea because it traps water.

i will test anyway because i don't own a dehydrator and want to see how it goes. I've seen that an air fryer expel steam like a pressure cooker if the inside of the air fryer gets with so much steam(and pressure obviously). thus it can theoretically work, you just need to monitor it, and put some thing to make the shrooms not fly inside the tray(if it flies it touches the heating element and burn the shroom)

cutting in half is also mandatory because of the "case hardening" stuff.

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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 1
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B Traven said:
I will concede that there’s a whole lot I don't KNOW for certain. But there are two hills I'm willing to die on:

1. If you want the absolute most bang for your buck, and the full unaltered profile of actives, use fresh-picked fruit.

2. If you leave any residual moisture in your dried fruits, or introduce it later, you WILL eventually experience some amount of degradation, causing both potency loss and potential stomach issues.


This is literally the answer. And, by the way, you actually lose so little in the drying process with a dehydrator that many highly experienced trippers say they don’t really notice the difference between fresh and dry.

There isn’t even a discussion to be had that has practical value for people like you and I.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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It probably works.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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I dry my shrooms between my toes.


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"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: B Traven]
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to Smellyhobbit in specific, the point is nobody knows the stuff, thus saying that is useless to know or that nothing will change is a unproductive thought. is like saying that new scientific discover is useless. also saying that "we did this way for decades" don't mean nothing.

if someone do some stuff wrong for 100 years, the person is still wrong, don't matter the time. thus at least for me, this "cultivator experience" is very overrated.

some example, even if someone cooks his entire life, this don't mean the person will become a 3 star michelin chef.

or if someone play soccer his entire life, this doesn't mean they would become Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi.

that's because wrong experience don't mean shit, they continue being wrong, and the person is reinforcing the wrong experience.

for mushroom cultivation specifically, don't matter how many times the guy cultivated, he can't see contams in thin air when using a SAB, neither know the exact potency of the stuff based on experience. this is because this is essentially impossible to analyze by experience.

this also means that even if this experienced guy dehydrated in low temps all of his life, this doesn't mean he is right, is impossible for him to know by experience alone.

other argument i had made before, is that if you half ass everything, your results will be significant worse. we have tons of stuff we can't control, like control precisely the environment the shroom will grow, the genetic, the dehydration, the storage, luck or minimal factors etc. thus grasping control in which we can control is the best to have better results.

the final argument is, is not so hard to use heated air, instead of room air for dehydration for example. thus, is not a difficult change, but it can theoretically give way better results. thus is a low effort high reward situation. this make not only a theoretical information, but a practical information that can help several cultivators, don't matter the reason they are cultivating or using the shroom.

thus for me, saying this don't matter is simply wrong. If you don't like the information you can simply ignore it, but this doesn't mean is useless for everyone. in scientific context, data, mechanisms or a solid logic is required, of course.

and a dehydrator is totally fine. it would just be better if it had higher temps in my opinion. i don't remember saying otherwise. the air fryer thing is a test i will do. i researched and see that it can theoretically work, but I'm not saying that's the best way, only that it SEEMS to be the best way.

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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Like i said, you don't know that. Nobody knows that.

From the mechanisms i said here, maybe eating the fresh fruits can be even worse than dried ones. We know for a fact for example that if you cut or squeeze a fresh shroom, alkaloids oxidize.

What happens if you chew a fresh shroom? You squeeze and cut it with your teeth.

We also could say that making fresh shrooms extraction is worse, because the fresh shrooms is a sponge and absorb liquids. Thus if you do not squeeze to remove the liquids, not all the alkaloids go out. But if you squeeze, you can oxidize the alkaloids.

That's what I'm talking about. You did the same thing all of your life that you can't see that it can maybe be wrong and that it can may be WAY WORSE. Is like eating raw meat all of your life, and some day you experience some real good cooked meat. You never knew that this existed, or that meat could be this better, because you never actively searched other methods or compared stuff.

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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 2
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I don't know how many people can word the same thought in so many ways and you just can't grasp the idea. You're arguing with no one.

How many thousands of people would need to report identical experiences for it to be enough for you? Or does it only matter if the science god passes you the peer reviewed tablet from his lab on high?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't cure his retardation I suppose.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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:chat3:
:chat2:
:chat:
:babypalm:


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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I have capsules from back when i was doing the colored capsules . Member that hob?  That was fun.  I had the pink and white ones they called good n plenties.  Had em
Racked with hbo's ghost.  Gods they were strong.  Had the orange and pink ones that were full of huatla which was a stupid strain i worked on until it pinned like mad.  Spores for days. 

I blasted that shit on high with a chinese dehydrator.  I must have made 10 lbs of those things. 


Anyhoo duc found a bag of em recently.  what was that four, five years ago? Still fuck you up.  STILL melt your face with a little handful of em.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: UnderNose] * 3
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Do it with us, coward.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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Hell yeah I remember the colored pill era. Art.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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I suppose since i dont do the volume i used to, i could get back to that.  Just gotta work through this last bag of 5k clears.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
How many thousands of people would need to report identical experiences for it to be enough for you? Or does it only matter if the science god passes you the peer reviewed tablet from his lab on high?.



Argumentum ad populum.

if everyone says to you that the sky is green, then you will say that the sky is indeed green?

to analyze something you need a clear, unbiased, skeptical mind. how many people that are tripping in shrooms have a clear, unbiased skeptical mind? absolutely no one, because they are high, what already make their mind NOT CLEAR.

thus NO ONE, can truly count his own experience as the truth, no matter how much people there is.

if a schizophrenic sees a mathematical equation, and says that 2 apples + 2 apples equal to 55 horses, you will believe in him? even if 99999 schizophrenics say the same shit, this don't mean that's the absolute truth.

the potency of a trip can vary depending on several things like:

how much time are you fasting
what's the last stuff you ate
your set and setting
the proportion of psilocin/psilocybin in the shroom you are taking
your method of consumption
your own psyche at the moment

etc, etc ,etc

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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 2
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If everyone said the sky was green and a I looked up and saw the sky was green, I'd probably assume it was.

IDK man you're not just not seeing the forest for the trees, you're zoomed in on the bark trying to tell me  no one can objectively know if the forest even exists because you personally don't see it.

Very reddit of you, tbh.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 1
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Chiron098 said:
Like i said, you don't know that. Nobody knows that.

.......

That's what I'm talking about. You did the same thing all of your life that you can't see that it can maybe be wrong and that it can may be WAY WORSE. Is like eating raw meat all of your life, and some day you experience some real good cooked meat. You never knew that this existed, or that meat could be this better, because you never actively searched other methods or compared stuff.


Such a bizarre set of assumptions and judgements you're making here.

I know that I personally have tried a number of different methods in all aspects of cultivation, including the processing of fruits. There's always an inherent tension between innovation and stability. I've been at this in an earnest fashion for over 10 years, but there's no way in hell I would have stuck with it this long if I was just perpetually throwing spaghetti at the wall to prepare for the day when someone ready to do some serious "thinking" turned up and "challenged my assumptions." Cultivation of literally anything is ultimately about establishing some sort of consistency.

But yeah, you're right, someone can definitely persist at a thing for years and just be doing it wrong, misinterpreting their results not evolving, etc. However, in addition to things like drying mushrooms, that can ALSO include things like armchair explorations of things that a person has little practical experience with, arguing with experienced practitioners of a thing on the strength of their convictions, etc. I have little doubt that you have ample experience doing these things. Doesn't mean you're doing them right, though.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 1
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Ill fucking try it with the next round of yeti and trip report if you just let this thing die.  I have a ninja airfryer.  I use it for brussels and asparagus and things.


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: Chiron098] * 3
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:monkeymouse:
:typingdog:


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Re: Why is air fryer not better than dehydrator? [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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No no no you fucking chuds don't get it. No one can KNOW anything. Nothing is real. If a nerd with cystic acne doesn't publish it in a journal it's not fact, it's conjecture. You're all retarded, and that's a peer reviewed fact. I'm your peer, I reviewed it, and I'm publishing it here. So maybe just relax and start air frying your mushrooms or eating them fresh but watch out your teeth actually probably might maybe destroy the actives worse than time and temperature or something.

Fools.


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