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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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fahtster said:
3rd ish flush ziplock.  This tray had 25% worm castings and the rest plain CV






That ziplock stuff is fairy magic, every time I get asked about pan substrate and they talk about liquid manure I direct em to fahster to prove a point. Very slick stuff.


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Edited by conz0r (02/06/26 04:10 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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@ Fahtster

Fahtster can you post a picture of what a casing layer that is partially or completely colonized would look like after misting when trying to get primordia to form?

Maybe that would help me achieve some results. I would be happy with 1/50th of that flush, at least then I could try to dial in what is needed better.

Maybe my spawns need more time, like 16 days as you said and everything is ok, I'm just early. Or maybe I am fucking everything up and misting or humidity incorrectly.

Also if I were to stick my face in my tub and inspect things looking for signs, how often could I do this without it being detrimental to primordia forming?

And would you say it's easier to evaporate away from the humidity pinning trigger or to approach it? Like slowly decreasing humidity to the sweet spot or slowly increasing humidity towards the sweet spot? Which is more noob friendly?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 1
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Hope you're all well...
So I've got side pinning about 1 1/2 inches below the top of the psuedo casing trying to push through the bag at the light which is coming from big windows horizontally, so I can't blame them.

So here's my question, do I leave them to do there thing, or cut a line in the bag so they can escape almost like lions mane? They're just above the band and the white dots, there's like a cluster of 18-20 something formed pins in a ball.



Happy weekend party people!


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Be lucky, may light walk with you.





Edited by conz0r (02/07/26 09:55 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bongoman] * 1
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bongoman said:
Ready for grain this weekend?






Looks good from here.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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There's plenty of healthy looking colonies on this plate so I am going to take this bisporus straight to half pint AIO jars.



If I was going to grain or planning to break the jar up into a tray I wouldn't do this even though I do believe there's lots of clean growth on this plate.

But the technique I'm currently using has been quite forgiving so far.  And I've observed enough bispo that I can recognize healthy growth pretty well at this point.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I'd like to address the following to tree frog if I may. 5 or 6 months ago I happened upon one of your posts about pan bisporus and was captivated by the effects you described. Soon I was reading everything you'd posted about bisporus and mystery sa. Though I am a novice or noob, having only cultivated avi, mid, and weza I began many attempts to succeed at bisporus. The only spores I was able to procure was from a purchased spore syringe, though I would have much preferred a print. I also bought the Amish popcorn you recommended. I didn't have an Instant so I was never really able to achieve the hydration you showed, but I labored on. I then proceeded to rack up failure after failure. I could get mycelium growth in my jars, but usually lost it after one or two shakes. Several times I put the jars to substrate anyway, achieved spots of mycelium on the surface but never the full tray and casing resulted in zero mushrooms. Several weeks ago I received a print of bisporus from Marco Island from someone who told me that bisporus was simple to grow and sort of laughed at the Shroomery folks who found it so difficult. Of course I was able to cultivate the Marcos Island print, it even pinned in 3 or 4 days. Yet it looked nothing like the photos you had posted. I had my doubts and yesterday they were confirmed - my grow was just another pan cyan. Likewise I was able to grow a tray of what was labeled SA Mystery (not Mystery SA) which I now have my doubts about too. I am still unable to get a true print of bisporus (Washington or elsewhere), so I again purchased a very expensive syringe of bisporus and am readying myself to have past failures recur. Any advice on how to "fail better" would be much appreciated.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r]
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conz0r said:
Hope you're all well...
So I've got side pinning about 1 1/2 inches below the top of the psuedo casing trying to push through the bag at the light which is coming from big windows horizontally, so I can't blame them.

So here's my question, do I leave them to do there thing, or cut a line in the bag so they can escape almost like lions mane? They're just above the band and the white dots, there's like a cluster of 18-20 something formed pins in a ball.



Happy weekend party people!


You could just move the rubber band down below the knots and partially pull the bag away there.  Slitting the bag will cause a lot of drying out there if it’s just sitting in open air… is the bag inside a chamber?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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tultedspoon said:
@ Fahtster

Fahtster can you post a picture of what a casing layer that is partially or completely colonized would look like after misting when trying to get primordia to form?

Maybe that would help me achieve some results. I would be happy with 1/50th of that flush, at least then I could try to dial in what is needed better.

Maybe my spawns need more time, like 16 days as you said and everything is ok, I'm just early. Or maybe I am fucking everything up and misting or humidity incorrectly.

Also if I were to stick my face in my tub and inspect things looking for signs, how often could I do this without it being detrimental to primordia forming?

And would you say it's easier to evaporate away from the humidity pinning trigger or to approach it? Like slowly decreasing humidity to the sweet spot or slowly increasing humidity towards the sweet spot? Which is more noob friendly?


I don’t have those specific pics.  I’m doing a write up so I will when I get to that point.  I water when I add the casing and then when I go for another flush.  I usually don’t water in between unless the tray has been sitting for a long period without flushing.. those are rare trays tho.  That’s with the ziplocks tho.. a lot of ppl do water the casing regularly but it’s usually with a tent set up.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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Heya man,

Yeah it's inside a 60L monotub, 4 can sized holes with micropore tape for this one, sitting in a shallow large lid with 1/4 inch of water in it, the lid on but not firmly so theres 4 holes venting air through the top.

It's 1.5 quart popcorn 3 quart sub. Sent up the scouts which will be ready to come off Monday but the first flush is only really just coming in. I fan once every 30 mins from 6 am until 10 pm. She was left just a touch too long before casing and is a bit confused on which way is up but she's figured it out now.

My tent arrives on the 22nd and it's just spawn till then anyway, it'll go into the tent once it's up and dialed in.


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Be lucky, may light walk with you.





Edited by conz0r (02/07/26 12:38 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blakeyface]
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blakeyface said:
I'd like to address the following to tree frog if I may. 5 or 6 months ago I happened upon one of your posts about pan bisporus and was captivated by the effects you described. Soon I was reading everything you'd posted about bisporus and mystery sa. Though I am a novice or noob, having only cultivated avi, mid, and weza I began many attempts to succeed at bisporus. The only spores I was able to procure was from a purchased spore syringe, though I would have much preferred a print. I also bought the Amish popcorn you recommended. I didn't have an Instant so I was never really able to achieve the hydration you showed, but I labored on. I then proceeded to rack up failure after failure. I could get mycelium growth in my jars, but usually lost it after one or two shakes. Several times I put the jars to substrate anyway, achieved spots of mycelium on the surface but never the full tray and casing resulted in zero mushrooms. Several weeks ago I received a print of bisporus from Marco Island from someone who told me that bisporus was simple to grow and sort of laughed at the Shroomery folks who found it so difficult. Of course I was able to cultivate the Marcos Island print, it even pinned in 3 or 4 days. Yet it looked nothing like the photos you had posted. I had my doubts and yesterday they were confirmed - my grow was just another pan cyan. Likewise I was able to grow a tray of what was labeled SA Mystery (not Mystery SA) which I now have my doubts about too. I am still unable to get a true print of bisporus (Washington or elsewhere), so I again purchased a very expensive syringe of bisporus and am readying myself to have past failures recur. Any advice on how to "fail better" would be much appreciated.


One of the reasons I'm reworking my AIO jars into small projects is so we don't have to break them up and spawn to a tray.  Bisporus recovers even more poorly in the presence of bacteria than cyans and also appreciates a long colonization time.  And can even recover poorly in a clean jar after a late shake depending on the moisture.

In addition to that I will be playing some with faht's Ziplock strategy and adjusting it for small jars. All of this is to help make them more accessible to folks who are more interested in personal use or small hobby projects rather than getting yield.

Finally, you have been around long enough to have marketplace access and I would be happy to send you a fresh print when I have them again.  I just inoculated four little jars so hopefully in a month or so.  But, even though my memory is pretty good, I might forget so when you see me post those jars if you would remind me.

Otherwise, I imagine someone else in the thread would have a coleville print already and maybe one of those folks will reach out and be able to help.

And the AIO jars can be run with just grass seed or millet as the carbon.  I am using grass seed and popcorn because I have both and I wanted to demonstrate how to prep both.

But it would also be really easy just to use grass seed and prep the substrate a little wet, it will hydrate during sterilization.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29474374


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (02/07/26 12:52 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I figured that I didn't have enough posts to be eligible for prints. I would really appreciate a print as I am mistrustful of syringes even when they are from reputable sources. I always follow your posts as the bisporus cultivation is my obsession since I have followed you. I have seen the small jars you have been cultivating in lately, so I will attempt some of those when the syringe arrives. And If I could get a print from you when available I would be overjoyed. I am grateful for the offer. Thank you

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blakeyface] * 1
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blakeyface said:
I figured that I didn't have enough posts to be eligible for prints. I would really appreciate a print as I am mistrustful of syringes even when they are from reputable sources. I always follow your posts as the bisporus cultivation is my obsession since I have followed you. I have seen the small jars you have been cultivating in lately, so I will attempt some of those when the syringe arrives. And If I could get a print from you when available I would be overjoyed. I am grateful for the offer. Thank you


ahh you can get 50 posts easily enough. I believe there is even a thread somewhere here specifically for that.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: RockinRobot]
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thing is, the only knowledge I have is what I have learned from this site, so I have very little to impart. and most of the questions I have are on subjects that have been broached numerous times before. this leaves me very little to post. moreover, I have often seen noobs jeered for drivel, which makes me reticent to post anything

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blakeyface] * 1
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Then post in a drivel section like the pub.  Nothing there even approaches the legitimacy level of drivel, it’s bottomless early aughts trash posting.  You can easily get to 50 posts just playing one of the word game threads.


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Smellyhobbit said:
"Wiping a needle with isopropyl after flame sterilization is like shitting after you wipe your ass."

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mr Piggy] * 1
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message received. thanks. I have now posted as much today as I have for the former 10 months

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blakeyface]
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Posting in your own journal also seems to count.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: blakeyface] * 1
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blakeyface said:
message received. thanks. I have now posted as much today as I have for the former 10 months


:rofl:

I can send you a print man, seems like you're losing sleep over this :lol:


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
― Terry Pratchett


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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😅 probably different time zone

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper] * 1
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Foreighn2891 said:
😅 probably different time zone


:rofl:
Most likely, but that is not the reason I wrote what I did. I know a hang up when I see on, don't ask how :uhoh:


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Probably fungi telling you that 😁 that’s why they’re magic

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