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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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No, I'm sure they work well for side pins.

But there's other ways to prevent side pins that don't require liners.  And it's really not an issue other than with cyans (and maybe tropicalis and cambos).


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Anomalocaris said:
Should the substrate be compacted and leveled as much as possible like with cubes or leave it a bit loose?



I wouldn't compress like I do cubes. I'll fill a tray, level with my hand, lift it a couple of inches and drop it to get a little compression. I'll also compress very lightly with a trowel to make sure my surface is leveled.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
Anomalocaris said:
Should the substrate be compacted and leveled as much as possible like with cubes or leave it a bit loose?



I wouldn't compress like I do cubes. I'll fill a tray, level with my hand, lift it a couple of inches and drop it to get a little compression. I'll also compress very lightly with a trowel to make sure my surface is leveled.



Thanks kloakk, I was hoping someone would answer that question.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 1
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personally i dont ever see any benefit in compressing substrate with force. easy does it imho


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 1
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Centerfinger said:
Thanks kloakk, I was hoping someone would answer that question.



:tipofthecap:


chris77 said:
personally i dont ever see any benefit in compressing substrate with force. easy does it imho



For cubes(I don't use liners) I've had major side pinning if I don't compress it like it owes me money :lol: And I have less evaporation during colonization.

For pans, semps and other exotics I compress very lightly, but it's mostly about keeping it as leveled as possible, then it's way easier to also get the same thickness on the casing and that will(most of the time) give a better and more even pinset in my experience :strokebeard:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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For pans I like to mix the spawn and bulk in freezer bags. Sort of a liner.

Once mixed I put it in the FC and cut the top off. Then case when colonized. I do this with Semps too.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: thirdeyewild]
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thirdeyewild said:
For pans I like to mix the spawn and bulk in freezer bags. Sort of a liner.

Once mixed I put it in the FC and cut the top off. Then case when colonized. I do this with Semps too.



Sounds neat, got a picture? I'm slow and a visual learner :muppet:

:creepylurker:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
Centerfinger said:
Thanks kloakk, I was hoping someone would answer that question.



:tipofthecap:


chris77 said:
personally i dont ever see any benefit in compressing substrate with force. easy does it imho



For cubes(I don't use liners) I've had major side pinning if I don't compress it like it owes me money :lol: And I have less evaporation during colonization.

For pans, semps and other exotics I compress very lightly, but it's mostly about keeping it as leveled as possible, then it's way easier to also get the same thickness on the casing and that will(most of the time) give a better and more even pinset in my experience :strokebeard:



i compress very lightly BUT i compress the sides really hard with my fingers like tucking it in all around the sides. then i fill up with pseudocasing and level gently.
zero sidepins


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: chris77] * 1
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chris77 said:
i compress very lightly BUT i compress the sides really hard with my fingers like tucking it in all around the sides. then i fill up with pseudocasing and level gently.
zero sidepins




Makes sense, will give it a go next time I'm doing cubes, thanks man :hatsoff:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
thirdeyewild said:
For pans I like to mix the spawn and bulk in freezer bags. Sort of a liner.

Once mixed I put it in the FC and cut the top off. Then case when colonized. I do this with Semps too.



Sounds neat, got a picture? I'm slow and a visual learner :muppet:

:creepylurker:



https://files.shroomery.org/files/24-44/040464812-IMG_20241031_122033_4842.jpg


(Pic is ttbvi)
My sig too


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: thirdeyewild]
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thirdeyewild said:
https://files.shroomery.org/files/24-44/040464812-IMG_20241031_122033_4842.jpg


(Pic is ttbvi)
My sig too



Very nice, do you place the bag in a tray or do you just level it in the bag and place the bag in the FC?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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The shops didn't have cactus soil :thumbdown:
Got something similar to it I think. Gonna try 50/50 with vermiculite. Do you PC or pasteurize the casing layer?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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ansr said:
The shops didn't have cactus soil :thumbdown:
Got something similar to it I think. Gonna try 50/50 with vermiculite. Do you PC or pasteurize the casing layer?



Cactus or seedling soil, the point being low in nutrient. What is the NPK on the one you got?

I pasteurize at 140 for 2 hours after reaching core temperature.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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"Premium Seeding Soil" it's called. NPK is 11-5-18

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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ansr said:
"Premium Seeding Soil" it's called. NPK is 11-5-18



That is pretty high in nutrients. I would do 50/30/20, coir/seedling soil/vermiculite and add 1 gram of calcium hydroxide per liter of casing.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Others they had was 14-7-15. I need to get calcium hydroxide too? They only have 10 kg bags. Do I want to mess with that in my tiny apartment kitchen?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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It's also used to make pickles.

So, you might be able to find like a 1 lb bag at the grocery store.

I'd suggest leaching that seed starter too.  That NKP is quite high and you don't want a bunch of soluble nitrogen in your grow.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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None of the grocery stores near me have that... Damn it! F Pans why do you have to be so finicky!

The shit I got contains calcium carbonate.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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ansr said:
Others they had was 14-7-15. I need to get calcium hydroxide too? They only have 10 kg bags. Do I want to mess with that in my tiny apartment kitchen?



10kg is a lot for sure, and you don't need calcium hydroxide, but you want the pH of the casing around 8. I use my calcium  hydroxide indoors, but I always use gloves and I try to minimize spreading it in the air, but I'm not in a hazmat suit and gas mask :muppet:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Yeah I'm not getting 10 kg of that :/

Why the f is all this shit so hard to get in northern Europe? About to give up Pans

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