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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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I have some old wire shelving I can rest it on if I need too.  But I think they will probably do okay like this.

We'll see in the next few weeks.  Have a jar of San Diego going I'll split between this and a dreamer.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger]
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Up to you, I think it's colonized enough you can case it today if you want.  If you have more free time a different day, that's fine too.

@Smoogles yay!  :heart:


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smoogles] * 1
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Smoogles said:
Appreciate the introduction tree frog. Hi all, looking forward to documenting my journey here. I was a part of some smaller communities on different platforms for the past couple years. Figured it was a good time to jump on here and swim in a bigger pond of like minded individuals.


This dude is good peeps.

Nice to see ya here man!  How tf did you make those pics so big?? Haha.  Idk if you need to see this or if it’s just the size of the pic or what..

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13674858#13674858

Edited by fahtster (10/05/25 12:17 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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:whathesaid:


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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I managed to get 4 pins of pan cyan (yaaaay!) which are now 1-1.5 cm in height and I must get prints with them. I have no spores, only LC from vendor and working with this genetic kinda hard I want to work with MS and get clone. I only made prints with cubensis before and not familiar with pans at all. Is there any secrets with pans? I don't want to mess it since I am not sure there will be another shrooms in this grow. How do you understand that this is time to make prints?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pansun]
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hopefully an expert will tell you. I would just say it happens fast with pans, I've missed my chance at least once lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pansun] * 1
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Pansun said:
I managed to get 4 pins of pan cyan (yaaaay!) which are now 1-1.5 cm in height and I must get prints with them. I have no spores, only LC from vendor and working with this genetic kinda hard I want to work with MS and get clone. I only made prints with cubensis before and not familiar with pans at all. Is there any secrets with pans? I don't want to mess it since I am not sure there will be another shrooms in this grow. How do you understand that this is time to make prints?


When it still looks like a bell and before it opens up like an umbrella, but even if you got umbrellas there should still be some spores left. The bell looking ones will be darker underneath, so if you watch it you can get several light prints off it. Some people let some drop and then mark that as a possible contaminated print, and then try to use the 2nd or 3rd print from it depending on how thick with spores it is.

Some people use aluminum foil to print on, I have prints on foil, paper, and also ziplocs. The ziplocs are the easiest to print if you plan on using it soon. There is debate on if they would be as "dry" in a ziploc or not compared to a print stored on aluminum. Most of my prints are on ziplocs tho. I cut out a big enough square to fold in half and then put in another ziploc with some cotton and fold it up tight. I like the freezer ziplocs. Pinch the stem near the cap space them out in a freezer ziploc with the bag cracked open. It creates the perfect microclimate to drop spores and you can look underneath to see if you see dark prints forming yet or not. No need to add any water or anything, it will start to condensate on its own and make a fat print.

EDIT: Always do everything as aseptic as possible, I speak blunt but I always mean go about properly with tools and proper sterile handling. Ideally you want to use sterilized tools to cut the stem from the cap, not your fingers, I try to speak basic so that someone isn't stuck not knowing what to do if they don't have any tools available.

Edit2: I like foil prints for more long-term storage and I can usually get 2 solid prints, can mark the 1st as possible contamination but keep it as a backup. The ziploc method I like because it gets prints quick and I've never failed to get a print with a ziploc, even on one I thought had no spores left. I can usually get like 4 - 5 full prints with the ziploc from the same cap if I wanted. I would take prints both ways to be honest and see what works for you. If you definitely need a print to use try the ziploc method. Just be careful with the spores sometimes they can be slippy.

Edited by tultedspoon (10/07/25 12:50 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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I don't have time to get agar and jars until late this week. I made a pass outdoors and found 3 more to add to my collection.

I have mycelium from the top of the stem and also from the bottom. I separated them all into jars with just water. Can I keep this mycelium in just water for a week or do I need to transfer it to something in a day or 2?

I would like to clean up this mycelium using agar for fast growth, but I will also start spores on agar as well with the prints that I have but I just don't know if this liquid culture? liquid innoculant? liquid tissue? will keep for a full week on its own. I still have to finish agar reading when I have time so not sure if cleaning this up on agar is even possible. Experiments I start from spores are slow as molasses, and with tissue I can see growth in 3 days so I didn't want to waste the fresh mycelium and I wanted to use it on a few projects.

If nutrients are required, I may test a drop of honey. After some research I still see a small amount of honey being possible. The honey I have is local, natural and pure, with no additives. Not the mainstream stuff. Here is a link from shroomery mentioning honey as a possibility, so obviously someone had success and if it's all I have it's all I have. If the jars will be fine until later this week I can get whatever the updated recommendation is then.

https://www.shroomery.org/9145/Liquid-Culture-Basics

Edited by tultedspoon (10/05/25 06:06 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon] * 1
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17 years old but it still matters. Always check posts and ratings when you’re looking for advice from members you’ve never corresponded with. It doesn’t mean the advice is questionable, it just means be aware of the source.
Some of these people are on drugs. The trusted cultivator tag

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Tao]
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Yea the link I posted was from shroomery archive and I couldn't see a poster to go with it, so I thought it was supported from the shroomery and the ratings on it were like 4.25/5. Idk if that was directed at me or not.

I don't want to use honey, my main question is if the solution will be good for a week with just mycelium soaking in the water until I have the supplies. If spores are the best for agar I will use prints, I still have more agar reading to do and I didn't want to waste fresh mycelium tissue.

Edited by tultedspoon (10/05/25 06:08 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pansun] * 1
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Pansun said:
I managed to get 4 pins of pan cyan (yaaaay!) which are now 1-1.5 cm in height and I must get prints with them. I have no spores, only LC from vendor and working with this genetic kinda hard I want to work with MS and get clone. I only made prints with cubensis before and not familiar with pans at all. Is there any secrets with pans? I don't want to mess it since I am not sure there will be another shrooms in this grow. How do you understand that this is time to make prints?


The way I tell, generally, is when they start dropping spores on the caps beneath them.  Because when is going to be different depending on morphology, which depends a lot on environment and genetics.

If I'm desperate to get a print, and the tub is sparse, my recommendation is to check with a swab.  Simply, take a clean swab and brush it gently under the gills.  If it has a few spores on it, the cap is ready to print.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Anyone tried growing them in 50L pastywhyte monotubs with success? If so did it require any modifications to the basic tub holes setup?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris] * 1
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Anomalocaris said:
Anyone tried growing them in 50L pastywhyte monotubs with success? If so did it require any modifications to the basic tub holes setup?


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997

This will set you in the right direction, long story short though you can grow pans in a myriad of ways and tote setups

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 2
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Busy day yesterday. Things seem to be going as planned except my casing material. When I tested the ph before pc'ing it was around 8 and was at field capacity. When I opened them to actually put the casing on, it was pretty dry and the ph readings were all over the place, anywhere from 6.1-7.7. I figured it was because it dried out. I tested my tap water and it's a solid 7.7. in an attempt to micro adjust the casing I boiled up some water and hopefully the heavy misting restores the balance.

I ended up casing both test grows. I also adjusted my dreamer for the best possible conditions. I'm concerned about fresh air intake and found some micro 20mm USB fans that I may have included in the setup.








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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Quote:
The way I tell, generally, is when they start dropping spores on the caps beneath them.  Because when is going to be different depending on morphology, which depends a lot on environment and genetics.

If I'm desperate to get a print, and the tub is sparse, my recommendation is to check with a swab.  Simply, take a clean swab and brush it gently under the gills.  If it has a few spores on it, the cap is ready to print.


I'm curious when you would clone vs print when desperate. I've been waiting until spores drop and do both when desperate, clone (from the stipe) to agar + print.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: cardboardandsoap] * 2
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I don't usually clone.  But as long as the fruits aren't in a state of auto-digestion (i.e. aborting), they're fine to clone.  Could probably even clone aborts, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

This isn't a pan, but as an example, you can see I cut caps off some fruits for printing.  I could have cloned the stipes too, rather than leaving them for the harvest.



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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I went and installed the 20mm intake fan just in case. It does not push in much air but it's better than nothing. I'm trying it always on, if it becomes too much fae and drys things out I can have it kick on at the same time as my fogger.

My sub has started to eat my casing, I'll see what it looks like tomorrow. Can I add more casing, it was pretty thin.

The little fan is so adorable.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger]
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are liners necessary  for 50qt tubs to prevent side pinning the same way that they are for cubes?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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I'm new to Pans myself, but if you get a good flush, who cares about side pins. A few mushies on the side is like 2% of the total. I wouldn't add a liner to any grow.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 9
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Liners help keep your sub healthy for going further in flushing, esp with pans ime.  Standing water can be big problem when you’re working with a species in heavy water environments like pans

In all the pan trays I’ve posted since I started growing them.. even all of summer, exactly 1 tray got mold on it and it came from an old abort that got missed when I was cleaning a third flush off.  I toss em because the sub is spent not because they get contaminated (unless they never fruit or because they started bacterial and I spawned them anyway).  I attribute that directly to using a liner.

Bvi 2nd flush


Got some nice sized weza on this second tray.  Cloned em of course

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