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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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To the people who end up with fat TTBVI caps:

Do you have some pictures of various stages of cap development you can share?

My caps are starting to flatten out, but are only 2-4mm large. The mushrooms themselves have pretty much stopped growing vertically. I'm guessing this is the upper limit of what my setup/genetics will reach this run, but before I harvest I'd love a chance to compare with someone else's.

This is what mine currently looks like (index finger for scale):



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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Smellyhobbit said:
So question for you fellers.

I’m growing out of shoeboxes inside humidity chambers. Really low end of the tech gradient stuff here. I have 3 tubs of bisporus going, and they’re all producing just a few fruits. These are from MS genes.

My questions are 1) do these clone well? I was told they do. And 2) is this typical for MS grows to only put out a few fruits for bisporus, or are the rest of the fruits just slower to come in like some species?

Any insights into the grow cycle for bispo would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


I think they can clone well, can be hit or miss sometimes but all my best bispo cuts have been clones for what it’s worth, mind you that’s for tubs.

Sometimes they’ll come in waves so few fruits pop but the tote fills out generally, in my experience I’ve not had a Bispo tub grow only a few fruits in a flush personally. I have had a few early risers but upon seeing those first few pins the rest are all up within a few days at most. This is not to say I’ve not had sparse flushes, I’m understanding few as under 10ish fruits.

One thing I’ll note on bispo clones is for me I have a hard time saving clones, as each and everyone has progressively degenerated over time so I go back to ms frequently, bear in mind this is in reference to old clone plates not properly stored clones. I am reviving a two year old clone soon from distilled water soon to see if that changes things. Long story short I’ve found my bispo clones to remain good on plates for about 6 months, after that they’ve lost luster, your results may vary purely speaking from what has happened to me.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 3
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
To the people who end up with fat TTBVI caps:

Do you have some pictures of various stages of cap development you can share?

My caps are starting to flatten out, but are only 2-4mm large. The mushrooms themselves have pretty much stopped growing vertically. I'm guessing this is the upper limit of what my setup/genetics will reach this run, but before I harvest I'd love a chance to compare with someone else's.





I don't have multiple images of development but I do have an image of fairly large ones I grew.



From this bag.



The one aspect I noticed that gave me large fruits was a deeper than "normal" substrate. My bags tend to be about 1 3/4" deep with a 1/4" casing.

Drier bags gave me smaller fruits with tiny caps, while bags with substrate on the wetter side of field capacity gave larger fruits.

Of course, genetics play a big role too. Try again by going back to your spore source material, as trying again with spores from thw tiny fruits may be selecting those less desirable traits.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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Smellyhobbit said:
So question for you fellers.

I’m growing out of shoeboxes inside humidity chambers. Really low end of the tech gradient stuff here. I have 3 tubs of bisporus going, and they’re all producing just a few fruits. These are from MS genes.

My questions are 1) do these clone well? I was told they do. And 2) is this typical for MS grows to only put out a few fruits for bisporus, or are the rest of the fruits just slower to come in like some species?

Any insights into the grow cycle for bispo would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


I know Kirkeng says "If it's not an unmodified tub I don't want to see it", but really, he does the same thing a dreamer tub does, just manually. All my bisop grows(including the one in my sig) and every other pan grow I have done, is from ms, haven't cloned a pan yet, but if we take a look at what Fahtster is doing then we can't deny the fact that cloning works.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 3
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Kloakk said:
Smellyhobbit said:
So question for you fellers.

I’m growing out of shoeboxes inside humidity chambers. Really low end of the tech gradient stuff here. I have 3 tubs of bisporus going, and they’re all producing just a few fruits. These are from MS genes.

My questions are 1) do these clone well? I was told they do. And 2) is this typical for MS grows to only put out a few fruits for bisporus, or are the rest of the fruits just slower to come in like some species?

Any insights into the grow cycle for bispo would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


I know Kirkeng says "If it's not an unmodified tub I don't want to see it", but really, he does the same thing a dreamer tub does, just manually. All my bisop grows(including the one in my sig) and every other pan grow I have done, is from ms, haven't cloned a pan yet, but if we take a look at what Fahtster is doing then we can't deny the fact that cloning works.


:lol:

Just to set the record straight that comment is in jest, I’m not a degenerate I like seeing success however that looks for someone… then again… something something manual transmission…

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
I'm still figuring out my ph reader. It was showing 7.2 so I kept adding lime. I left it in and walked away and it shot up. I guess it's not an instant read lol. Live and learn.

I'm not using it for at least a week so I'll retest then.


I'm in the same boat exactly with the same ph reader. Followed asuras casing tek and was a bit low. I threw a couple teaspoons of calcium carbonate and it spiked to 9.5 - 10. I pc'd it in jars and will check pH again in a few days when it's time to case.

Finger's crossed.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
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kirkeng said:
Just to set the record straight that comment is in jest, I’m not a degenerate I like seeing success however that looks for someone… then again… something something manual transmission…


:begone:

A jest you say, well, that's great to know, and Kirk, I really love what you do, and if I weren't as jealous I would never had said anything, in other words, keep doing what you're doing because it's awesome.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Back atcha mate! Patiently waiting for those Zapos to hit your taste buds…

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 1
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kirkeng said:
Back atcha mate! Patiently waiting for those Zapos to hit your taste buds…


yeah, if I get get them through fruiting I'll let you know :hatsoff:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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I know I'm still trying to get pans going, but after reading on old tree frog post about bisporus being the force and pans being the light, I think I need some bispo's.

I don't like asking for handouts, but can someone generously donate some bisporus genetics?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng] * 1
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Thanks for the replys and encouragement kirkeng and tf. and I do have some gnats here and there which certainly aren't helping - they're so gross... I think i've squished most of them though lol
Anyways I will play with the airflow and hole configuration, and I've got a clone I liked from a previous flush that I will run, need to pour some more plates this weekend.

Another thing I've been wondering is if a 2-phase approach to fruiting makes sense - first pinning (low FAE to keep rh up) and then cap development (open up some holes to promote evap). time to fafo i guess. :shrug:

One thing I love about pans is how fast they are - while I havent got it right yet at least they are giving me several chances. It's only been 48 hours since I picked the last flush and I've already got some pins coming in this tub

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech] * 7
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I've recently switched to a two-phase approach and I'm quite happy with it.

For pinning they want like 98% or higher humidity, and you really only need that during the first pin set, as that's when knots are formed.  If the conditions are too dry or too wet, the mycelium can't really change well.  Like I can't really express how amazing they are, mostly because I don't understand it well enough, but  they undergo a phase shift, where instead of hyphae branching out, they seek each other out.  Knots.

Fresh air exchange is important because it discourages competitor molds, as a lot of them prefer very high CO2 concentrations. But as far as evaporation, that's really not needed for pin formation. It is needed to protect DNA as it develops in the caps.

Anyway, that's some stuff I've had to clarify for myself.  As I think there's some misconceptions about mushroom life cycles in the online mushroom community that don't match well with biology.  Largely stemming from decades of growing one species that happens to thrive at the same temperatures we prefer to keep our living rooms.

I hope my post was more descriptive than proscriptive.  I don't grow in monos, but sealed dreamer tubs.  Mostly because of gnats tbh.  Plus I get a lot of satisfaction out of over engineering a problem.  And still, bisporus was happiest on a shelf surrounded by thick grass. Open air fruiting in a sunroom :shrug:



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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Fantastic Mr. Fox] * 2
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These are my chambers for my bispo and the average result so far inside.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Is that how the surface always looks or was that just after misting?

And what's the temperature in the cabinet?  Are there any fans in it that circulate air?  Some little computer fans might help if not.

Shallower trays might help too.




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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Surface always looks like that. I haven’t misted because last time I misted a Bisporus tub everything aborted 😂

Someone suggested I leave the doors open. I don’t have fans installed, but I’ve been considering it. I also don’t know the temp in there. If I had to guess; probably 75°. The temp inside the dubtubs is a few degrees higher. I have them offset right now because the topmost tub had significantly more beading than those below it and I was concerned it wasn’t evaporating enough.


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 3
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Okay, so your surface looks good for pin initiation.  But it also tells me that they're struggling with evaporation during fruit body development.  I'd suggest more air movement to encourage evaporation generally (a fan, either one or two small ones in the cabinet or one larger one outside of it facing away).  And using the lid offsetting once pins are well formed if you want more, so they don't dry out and abort.

These were in a 80-90 humidity chamber with frequent air exchange, but I kept the lid on (flipped in this case) until when the photo was taken.  At which point the pins were large enough to survive some dry periods, as well as some misting if needed.


(Same tray as the photo from earlier tonight, taken sometime last week)

Temps look good btw.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 10
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Really digging these PHV.  Let em go for printing

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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fahtster said:
Really digging these PHV.  Let em go for printing



Amazing as always, excuse my unknowingness, but what is PHV?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger]
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It’s a crossed pan.. it stands for “Purple Haustralia Venom”

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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I'm sure you did the cross, are you developing something for the psychedelic cup?


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