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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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Wow, amazing. Is that a clone or ms?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 4
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Centerfinger said:
Wow, amazing. Is that a clone or ms?



Iirc this is a clone. I got sent some dried grains by another member here.

It must be now that I think about it. It's why I chose this culture for my trials with Pans, so as to rule out genetic differences in case of varying results.

And the results vary a lot 😀

I'm still working on some sort of optimal starting point in terms of substrate moisture content, spawn ratio, when to case,  when to add more moisture after colonization, etc.

My base substrate is hpoo pellets / chopped straw 55% / 45%

All these variables may still change. At least I'm keeping track of what I'm doing now 😀

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 2
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I have that same clone on grain now.  Hopefully they like me as much as they do you :smile:

Made some updates to my bottom water journal thread.  Bispo is now in the chamber in 'pinning conditions'.  I'll introduce evaporation once I see pins.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29340333#29340333

Still pretty experimental, maybe fourth tray ran like this.

But if the next twelve go well I'll cobble together a proper write up.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Tweeq] * 1
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Tweeq said:
Centerfinger said:
Wow, amazing. Is that a clone or ms?



Iirc this is a clone. I got sent some dried grains by another member here.

It must be now that I think about it. It's why I chose this culture for my trials with Pans, so as to rule out genetic differences in case of varying results.

And the results vary a lot 😀

I'm still working on some sort of optimal starting point in terms of substrate moisture content, spawn ratio, when to case,  when to add more moisture after colonization, etc.

My base substrate is hpoo pellets / chopped straw 55% / 45%

All these variables may still change. At least I'm keeping track of what I'm doing now 😀



I figured it had to be a clone, I wish I could have received killer genetics like that. That is a steller grow, nice work.

My first testing jars from spore xfers should be consolidated in 5/6 days. I have cow manure, straw verm already properly pasteurized for my sub. I was going to case with peat, verm & calcium carbonate. My dreamers are built, similar to tree frogs (minus the extra holes). My first dreamer was drying out my cube tubs so I made a couple of new ones.

The waiting game kinda sucks, but I've got a bunch of cubes in process to pass the time.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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You can ferment alfalfa for a few days to obtain a beneficial microbial profile. Additionally, miscanthus is an excellent substitute for straw, benefiting nature, ecology, etc.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
I'll introduce evaporation once I see pins.



So you don't give them fae until you see pins? I thought it's best to introduce fae right after casing and that will trigger pinning process

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pansun]
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What is the minimum temp for pan agar work and fruiting? I’ve heard everything from 68 to much warmer like 75.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Maormuisir]
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Maormuisir said:
You can ferment alfalfa for a few days to obtain a beneficial microbial profile. Additionally, miscanthus is an excellent substitute for straw, benefiting nature, ecology, etc.



I know that's the traditional way to make alfalfa tea. I have fermented straw before and I don't think I'll be doing that again. The smell is on another level. I could imagine the alfalfa being even worse considering how nutritious it is.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Pansun] * 1
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Pansun said:
tree frog said:
I'll introduce evaporation once I see pins.



So you don't give them fae until you see pins? I thought it's best to introduce fae right after casing and that will trigger pinning process



That's the received wisdom, but fae in a tote is different from big evaporation swings in a dreamer or tent.  Plus, mushrooms will pin on plates with very little GE.

Anyway, if you can keep the humidity consistently above 95 (and closer to 99 but not saturated at the surface), then I'm sure more air is better (as some competition likes high co2, such as pin molds).  If you can't, or don't want the hassle of managing the casing, I suspect that keeping it high during the initial knotting is easier.  As over the last two years I've seen a lot of projects stall, largely due to over or under watering the casing.

For cap development, evaporation is very important.  Especially at the higher temps most copelandia prefer, as it's how the mushrooms keep the DNA cool as it develops.  These evaporation swings (fae in the gourmet world) aren't great for pin setting.  As the knots and pins like much higher humidity levels rather than fluctuations between 90 and 80.

Anyway, I'm early in the experiments.  But so far, everything pins fine with the flipped lids.  I did have pin mold show up in one grow, but it died once I took the lid off.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (09/19/25 06:56 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Tree frog, are you using grains to sub or are you doing something else? I presume you apply your casing layer at the same time as you mix spawn and bulk since you're waiting for pins to form before putting them in a dreamer.

Are you still working on a revised tek?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: philmyco] * 2
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philmyco said:
What is the minimum temp for pan agar work and fruiting? I’ve heard everything from 68 to much warmer like 75.



Pans are a whole genus of mushrooms.  In this thread, we mostly grow things in a single section; copelandia/cyanescens.  Which includes many different species such as axfordii (temperate but no one is cultivating it really), bisporus (subtropical), and cyanescens (the type species for the section, which is primarily tropical though some specimens have been found out of season or in subtropical zones).

Anyway, it depends.  Though agar and colonization work is good in the low 70s for most species, I have tropical plates in a mini-fridge set to 50 that still colonize.  For fruiting, I have strains identified as cyans that prefer low 70s, and other strains that prefer it closer to 80f.

Though everything I work with does fruit fine in the mid 70s.  Some do better at slightly higher or lower temps.  And I suspect if we ever start working with axfordii, that we'll find it fruits better in the mid 60s.

Anyway, tldr.  You can get away with running everything in the low 70s.  But you'll get much better cap formation by finding the preferred temperature range for whatever you're growing.

80f


Mid 70s.


Same strain.  Pan Oregon.

High 80s during a heat wave.



Low 70s.



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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (09/19/25 06:57 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Centerfinger] * 1
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Centerfinger said:
Tree frog, are you using grains to sub or are you doing something else? I presume you apply your casing layer at the same time as you mix spawn and bulk since you're waiting for pins to form before putting them in a dreamer.

Are you still working on a revised tek?



I do grains to sub, apply a thin top layer.  Once it's mostly colonized, I apply a thin casing layer.  You can do both at once though, I just like to let the top colonize a bit first so that the casing colonizes more evenly.

And, I put them in a dreamer before pins form.  Mostly for the heat.  But also for some extra GE without worrying about dry spots.  I just flip the lid until I see knots and pins.  Also, ignore the misting at casing application.  The cyans didn't like it and colonized the casing slowly.  So, unless my casing is dry for some reason.  I won't do it again.

Not a tek, just a log that will be cobbled into one.  So, be aware that it's experimental and a WIP.  Also, take what you like.  The bottom watering thing is extra finicky and the reason I also use a bottom layer.  I'm just a finicky and curious person, that likes to give herself extra work :shrug:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29340333


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 4
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tree frog said:I'm just a finicky and curious person, that likes to give herself extra work :shrug:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29340333



Bit more like an artist practicing their art.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: The Tao] * 1
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Ahh..  thanks :smile:


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And if I only could
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I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 5
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I am surprised at how much bisporus has made itself at home in the flowerpots. The three original patches are still intact and have spread out 15-20 cm from where they were spawned.



They don't produce much; a couple of mushrooms every week or other week. But I like their resilience. Pan cyan and PHV would flush a couple of times in quick succession and just disappear.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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Can someone point me in the direction of where to begin with coir+? Like broadly what ferts and percentages are a good starting point? Imma also pasteurize some compost but I want to compare some of these new methods.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Floret] * 3
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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:thanxx:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Floret]
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Anyone tried fresh Pans? How do they compare to dried? And whats the taste?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr] * 2
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Bra loves them.  Especially cyans.

I want to next time bisporus fruits for me.

As far as taste, I don't know. I have eaten some fresh and I always made tea.  Or cooked them in eggs one time.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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