strawboy said:

Both please!

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For all pans I use popcorn, yes it's few inoculation points, but they seem to love it. I've used the same substrates and casings for both TTBVI and Bisporus, the quick and easy substrate is:
70% coir
30% cow manure compost.

Another one I like and which might appeal to you is:
30% coir
30% cow manure compost
30% straw
10% vermiculite, or if you feel bold, rice hulls.

When it comes to casing I do it a little different then most, because I can't source peat, but it's:
50% coir
40% cactus soil
10% vermiculite

The TTBVI culture I've used isn't the fastest, but I never had it colonize the whole casing either(overlay) , so I like it. With the cultures I've grown of these two variety's they have the same timeline on grains and substrate colonization.

Case when the substrate is 100% colonized, TTBVI is way faster from here on, usually I'll harvest the first flush of TTBVI(5-10 days) before I even see a Bisporus pin(10-14 days). Bisporus tolerate less FAE and they love misting, the TTBVI culture I've run don't really like misting, but they tolerate it every 2-3 days if they are in a good mood

I run most of my pans in dreamer tubs, I keep the humidity higher in the TTBVI dreamer then the Bisporus dreamer, but that is because I mist my Bisporus at least once a day.

I have not tried TTBVI at a dose worth mentioning, but my 1,5g of Bisporus trip is here

SkanskKorv said:

What you wrote made me think of a question I've been wanting to ask but I've forgotten to do so I think. How potent are bisporus really compared to Cyanescens? I know cyans are strong as fuck from my experience with the TTBVI but I've never tried bispos so I'm skeptical what my dose will be. Did you try any other cyans you can compare them with?

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No I haven't, when I tried TTBVI, I just put my hand in the jar and ate a pinch Somewhere around 0,2-0,5g maybe? How much TTBVI did you take? As for Bisporus 1g should be a good place to start since you seem to hold your own

Kloakk said:

SkanskKorv said:

What you wrote made me think of a question I've been wanting to ask but I've forgotten to do so I think. How potent are bisporus really compared to Cyanescens? I know cyans are strong as fuck from my experience with the TTBVI but I've never tried bispos so I'm skeptical what my dose will be. Did you try any other cyans you can compare them with?

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No I haven't, when I tried TTBVI, I just put my hand in the jar and ate a pinch Somewhere around 0,2-0,5g maybe? How much TTBVI did you take? As for Bisporus 1g should be a good place to start since you seem to hold your own

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I took 0.5 as a starter dose to dip my toes (I always warm up before the real dose with cubes too) then I waited until it hit and I felt it wasn't going up anymore so perhaps after 45.min I took another 0.7 and was absolutely disappointed with the effect but not because it was weak because it was definitely really strong but because I didn't expect this clear effect even though I was definitely tripping I was perfectly clear and my balance was perfect, I felt sober but tripped quite hard on and off. After another 50 min I said "fuck it I'm chugging what I've got left" and weighed the last 1.5 up then threw them down but I should've taken this dose when I took the 0.7 dose since I would've probably been very satisfied.

So I guess 2.7g throughout that evening but nevertheless after that 1.5 I felt veeeeeeeeery good and it felt like they're hard to have a bad trip on, very clear and almost digital structures in the trip and a purple clear really "airy" feeling to them. I spent the rest of my evening in bed watching my roof melt into different shapes, landscapes, weird entities etc with a big smile on my face.

I guess I'll dose the bispos about the same to start with and see where it gets me then use that as a reference on how much more effect I want just like I've done with the rest.

SkanskKorv said:

I took 0.5 as a starter dose to dip my toes (I always warm up before the real dose with cubes too) then I waited until it hit and I felt it wasn't going up anymore so perhaps after 45.min I took another 0.7 and was absolutely disappointed with the effect but not because it was weak because it was definitely really strong but because I didn't expect this clear effect even though I was definitely tripping I was perfectly clear and my balance was perfect, I felt sober but tripped quite hard on and off. After another 50 min I said "fuck it I'm chugging what I've got left" and weighed the last 1.5 up then threw them down but I should've taken this dose when I took the 0.7 dose since I would've probably been very satisfied.

So I guess 2.7g throughout that evening but nevertheless after that 1.5 I felt veeeeeeeeery good and it felt like they're hard to have a bad trip on, very clear and almost digital structures in the trip and a purple clear really "airy" feeling to them. I spent the rest of my evening in bed watching my roof melt into different shapes, landscapes, weird entities etc with a big smile on my face.

I guess I'll dose the bispos about the same to start with and see where it gets me then use that as a reference on how much more effect I want just like I've done with the rest.

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Ahh, got it. I have actually never re-dosed shrooms, so I can't help there, but if you want a strong experience 1,5g Bisporus should get you there, at least mine did Not every culture is the same though, so I still suggest starting with 1g.

Kloakk said:

SkanskKorv said:

I took 0.5 as a starter dose to dip my toes (I always warm up before the real dose with cubes too) then I waited until it hit and I felt it wasn't going up anymore so perhaps after 45.min I took another 0.7 and was absolutely disappointed with the effect but not because it was weak because it was definitely really strong but because I didn't expect this clear effect even though I was definitely tripping I was perfectly clear and my balance was perfect, I felt sober but tripped quite hard on and off. After another 50 min I said "fuck it I'm chugging what I've got left" and weighed the last 1.5 up then threw them down but I should've taken this dose when I took the 0.7 dose since I would've probably been very satisfied.

So I guess 2.7g throughout that evening but nevertheless after that 1.5 I felt veeeeeeeeery good and it felt like they're hard to have a bad trip on, very clear and almost digital structures in the trip and a purple clear really "airy" feeling to them. I spent the rest of my evening in bed watching my roof melt into different shapes, landscapes, weird entities etc with a big smile on my face.

I guess I'll dose the bispos about the same to start with and see where it gets me then use that as a reference on how much more effect I want just like I've done with the rest.

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Ahh, got it. I have actually never re-dosed shrooms, so I can't help there, but if you want a strong experience 1,5g Bisporus should get you there, at least mine did Not every culture is the same though, so I still suggest starting with 1g.

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SkanskKorv said:

I always do it now but didn't use to. Of course I need to take more but it gets me to the same place as one big dose does but the come up is much easier on a lower dose so I do a small one to get used to it so that I can comfortably trip when it's time to go to space. My longest run is 3 days lol... The last dose of 15g B+ didn't feel anything at all after that though... Literally zero effect.

Haha man I think 1.5 is too much to start with for me... Ill definitely be dozing them high in the end but the times I've had a lot on a first dose have been uncomfortable for quite a while before it gets pleasant. How's the come up and body load on bispos tho?

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Holy smokes dude I guess I haven't really used shrooms recreational much, I usually dose according to how much shit I have to work through. But if you are planning on re-dosing I guess 0,7g is okay and then another 0,7g? Just spit balling here though so take it with a grain of salt.

The come up came fast for me, and almost no body load until I was coming down. I tried to describe it in the trip rapport I posted a few post back, check it out

I'll have to experiment with re-dosing, sounds like a different experience, I'll have the house to myself for a week this fall, hmmm. 1+1=tripping balls

Kloakk said:

SkanskKorv said:

I always do it now but didn't use to. Of course I need to take more but it gets me to the same place as one big dose does but the come up is much easier on a lower dose so I do a small one to get used to it so that I can comfortably trip when it's time to go to space. My longest run is 3 days lol... The last dose of 15g B+ didn't feel anything at all after that though... Literally zero effect.

Haha man I think 1.5 is too much to start with for me... Ill definitely be dozing them high in the end but the times I've had a lot on a first dose have been uncomfortable for quite a while before it gets pleasant. How's the come up and body load on bispos tho?

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Holy smokes dude I guess I haven't really used shrooms recreational much, I usually dose according to how much shit I have to work through. But if you are planning on re-dosing I guess 0,7g is okay and then another 0,7g? Just spit balling here though so take it with a grain of salt.

The come up came fast for me, and almost no body load until I was coming down. I tried to describe it in the trip rapport I posted a few post back, check it out

I'll have to experiment with re-dosing, sounds like a different experience, I'll have the house to myself for a week this fall, hmmm. 1+1=tripping balls

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Oh... Well I've used it mainly recreational since I just absolutely love drugs lol. I'm a natural thunder junkie, I simply love drugs too much and as I've told you before I used to do insane amounts of opioids, benzos and central stimulants + alcohol and more and the junkie in me has been screaming for a drug to get smacked on which I've resisted for years since I'd get addicted again But then I found shrooms and realised I can actually get smacked way beyond what any of that can give me and all that without  having to kill myself

Lol dude... That trip report was the thing that made me say "I need that shit". It's sounds like such an incredible experience and I've read it more than once, I even forced my gf to read it and she had a blast too.

Yeah man go ahead and try it, for me I feel better the longer I can trip. I always do at least 3 doses and ease in on it then smack the big one down and enjoy having a much more pleasant trip but that's to me, perhaps you'll think it's a tad boring since you're used to a high first dose. My next attempt with TTBVI might end up at 1g though since I felt they're so easy on me and I needed a lot to get where I wanted to. At least the second dose will be 1.5 if the first is 0.5.

SkanskKorv said:

Oh... Well I've used it mainly recreational since I just absolutely love drugs lol. I'm a natural thunder junkie, I simply love drugs too much and as I've told you before I used to do insane amounts of opioids, benzos and central stimulants + alcohol and more and the junkie in me has been screaming for a drug to get smacked on which I've resisted for years since I'd get addicted again But then I found shrooms and realised I can actually get smacked way beyond what any of that can give me and all that without  having to kill myself

Lol dude... That trip report was the thing that made me say "I need that shit". It's sounds like such an incredible experience and I've read it more than once, I even forced my gf to read it and she had a blast too.

Yeah man go ahead and try it, for me I feel better the longer I can trip. I always do at least 3 doses and ease in on it then smack the big one down and enjoy having a much more pleasant trip but that's to me, perhaps you'll think it's a tad boring since you're used to a high first dose. My next attempt with TTBVI might end up at 1g though since I felt they're so easy on me and I needed a lot to get where I wanted to. At least the second dose will be 1.5 if the first is 0.5.

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Ah shit that's right, I forgot about your history with drugs, my bad, won't happen again, seriously. I like where this conversion is going, but I'll hit you with a since we're going off topic.

Kloakk said:

strawboy said:

Both please!

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For all pans I use popcorn, yes it's few inoculation points, but they seem to love it. I've used the same substrates and casings for both TTBVI and Bisporus, the quick and easy substrate is:
70% coir
30% cow manure compost.

Another one I like and which might appeal to you is:
30% coir
30% cow manure compost
30% straw
10% vermiculite, or if you feel bold, rice hulls.

When it comes to casing I do it a little different then most, because I can't source peat, but it's:
50% coir
40% cactus soil
10% vermiculite

The TTBVI culture I've used isn't the fastest, but I never had it colonize the whole casing either(overlay) , so I like it. With the cultures I've grown of these two variety's they have the same timeline on grains and substrate colonization.

Case when the substrate is 100% colonized, TTBVI is way faster from here on, usually I'll harvest the first flush of TTBVI(5-10 days) before I even see a Bisporus pin(10-14 days). Bisporus tolerate less FAE and they love misting, the TTBVI culture I've run don't really like misting, but they tolerate it every 2-3 days if they are in a good mood

I run most of my pans in dreamer tubs, I keep the humidity higher in the TTBVI dreamer then the Bisporus dreamer, but that is because I mist my Bisporus at least once a day.

I have not tried TTBVI at a dose worth mentioning, but my 1,5g of Bisporus trip is here

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Kloakk said:

I've got MiB RS on popcorn that soon will be ready to spawn, I was wondering what ratio spawn to sub y'all are doing

If there is anything else I should know regarding substrate and/or casing for this variety, please let me know, I've only done Bisporus and TTBVI so far.

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SkanskKorv said:

Shouldn't MiB be rather similar to TTBVI in cultivation considering they're a TTBVI hybrid (?) I obviously don't know but I'd like to since I've got these on agar too and they're about to hit the grains soon.

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Yo, you might be on to something, I did not know that, and after some searching I found this. Thanks man, now the only thing I didn't find was the ratio and what is the latest, but this helped a lot as I can start prepping my substrate

If anyone would share they're Pan grain to substrate ratio that would be cool.

Kloakk said:

SkanskKorv said:

Shouldn't MiB be rather similar to TTBVI in cultivation considering they're a TTBVI hybrid (?) I obviously don't know but I'd like to since I've got these on agar too and they're about to hit the grains soon.

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Yo, you might be on to something, I did not know that, and after some searching I found this. Thanks man, now the only thing I didn't find was the ratio and what is the latest, but this helped a lot as I can start prepping my substrate

If anyone would share they're Pan grain to substrate ratio that would be cool.

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FeedYourMind said:

I'm having current difficulty with break and shake of pans in quart jars and was advised to switch to pint jars to possibly avoid the break and shake altogether.

1) Agar is beautiful and the myc colonizes perfectly up until I break and shake. Then it struggles to recover - is this just the sensitive nature of pans?

2) What size GE hole should be used for pint jars? 1/8"? 1/4"? I live in a semi-arid climate with altitude.

Just curious as to how to navigate this, thanks!

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