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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Regime change is the offramp.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Intelligence agencies chomping at the bit to stir up dissent.




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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Regime change is the offramp.



but change into what and by who?

if you say by the people imma lolz because that dont work.


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Edited by mushboy (06/22/25 12:08 PM)

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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
I like to be an optimist. This is the best opportunity they've had to overthrow that dictatorship in decades.


and what does it say about you that another round of foreign bombs is the best example of opportunity that you can envision, rather than something like the Mahsa Amini protests


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: mushboy]
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They should follow this framework.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I mean, we just saw the culmination of another failed regime change war in Afghanistan during the Biden administration.

Surely GC is at least 5 years old, yes?


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
GenesisCorrupted said:
Regime change is the offramp.



but change into what and by who?

if you say the iranian people imma lolz because that barely in not ever works here.


and that's not even a off-ramp - it's escalation. why would we not expect the Iranian state to escalate towards all available means, including sabotage of shipping channels, if faced with an existential threat?


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
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GenesisCorrupted said:
They should follow this framework.


Okay but you realize that foreign bombs weren't a part of this framework right?


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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operation midnight hammer with a massive ordnance perpetrator:naughty:

sounds like fun night of latex silicone and birdmasks.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Your 'excellent opportunity for regime change' is coming in the form of US bombs falling on Iran - and just like every other time the US has delivered 'freedom' to western Asia with bombs, this situation will result in favourable conditions for US war profits at the cost of the Iranian public.

I brought up your thread on communism to highlight where your priorities lie in taking the long shot: US bombs in the middle east finally resulting in democracy instead of the absolute shit show that has resulted every other time in the past - that's apparently the best hope for a revolution that you can envision


This is not what is happening this time. Marco Rubio gave a 15 minute interview today and explained what I already knew, and a lot of people seem to have confusion over.

Trump is not interested in participating in a regime change. He might *secretely* want it to happen, but he recognizes he has to leave it up to the Iranian people.

Trump is not a warmonger. He's a business man. Unless the regime strikes America at this point, Trump is committed to staying out of it. There are a LOT of advantages to Iran having a revolution. The primary reason we have military bases all over the middle east is because of Iran. They are terrorist central.

As usual, people arguing about whether a regime change will work or not is a waste of time. I, like Genesis Corrupted, have my opinion about Iran because I've spent days now reading what Iranians themselves have to say, including messages relayed from those within the country itself.

They're sick and tired of the Western world thinking they know what's really going on on the ground. Most people have no clue. It's a literal terrorist hell-hole over there.

It's a bit of a catch 22. Whether deliberate or not (I believe it was intentional), Trump and Israel have given Iran a chance to rise up.

Insider reports indicate the regime is falling apart fast, and Iranians are hoping this will end soon. If they could have their way with the regime, they wouldn't just step down, they'd all be dead.


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Edited by FoolOfElysium (06/22/25 03:14 PM)

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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
mushboy said:
GenesisCorrupted said:
Regime change is the offramp.



but change into what and by who?

if you say the iranian people imma lolz because that barely in not ever works here.


and that's not even a off-ramp - it's escalation. why would we not expect the Iranian state to escalate towards all available means, including sabotage of shipping channels, if faced with an existential threat?


If they make a move on the shipping channels, they're fucked. OTHER countries are affected way more than America.

And yes, it's an escalation against the REGIME, but not against IRAN.

Key difference. The regime is pissed. Iran is cheering.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 2
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Bro look at my proletariat. We ain’t ever seizing the means of production.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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FoolOfElysium said:
Trump is not a warmonger. He's a business man.



Just about every war is fought for economic purposes.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (06/22/25 05:05 PM)

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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
FoolOfElysium said:
Trump is not a warmonger. He's a business man.



Just about every war is fought for economic purposes.


By REALLY stupid politicians, and not businessmen. who haven't yet realized that it's easier to get what you want by giving other people what they want.


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Edited by FoolOfElysium (06/22/25 05:31 PM)

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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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This is a historic moment. For once, Genesis Corrupted and Trump are taking the same position. :lol:


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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:migraine:
If it benefits him, then he supports it.
I think it would benefit the people of Iran.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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FoolOfElysium said:
SirTripAlot said:
FoolOfElysium said:
Trump is not a warmonger. He's a business man.



Just about every war is fought for economic purposes.


By REALLY stupid politicians, and not businessmen. who haven't yet realized that it's easier to get what you want by giving other people what they want.


Trump is a politican.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
FoolOfElysium said:
SirTripAlot said:
FoolOfElysium said:
Trump is not a warmonger. He's a business man.



Just about every war is fought for economic purposes.


By REALLY stupid politicians, and not businessmen. who haven't yet realized that it's easier to get what you want by giving other people what they want.


Trump is a politican.


He is now, after 50 years being a business man. You know what also is good for business? A stable Middle-East.


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Re: Regime change in Iran [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 2
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I think destabilizing the region has been pretty good for business for 20 or 40 years.


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