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General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs
    #1491188 - 04/24/03 11:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

General Strike Set [July 9] in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs
New York Sun ^ | 4-24-03 | ADAM DAIFALLAH


WASHINGTON ? Mark the date: July 9. That?s when opponents of the Iranian regime have called a general strike that they hope will expand to topple the government there and bring freedom and democracy to the Iranian people.

The strike is being organized by profreedom student groups to coincide with the fourth anniversary of the last student uprising in Iran that saw thousands of students take to the streets against the Islamic Republic?s ruling mullahs.

The planned event ? indeed, the Iranian freedom movement as a whole ? could take on a new dimension now that Iran?s western neighbor, Iraq, is free from Saddam Hussein?s tyranny.

Policy experts have speculated that a liberated Iraq could embolden Iranian freedom fighters to rise up and mount a serious challenge to the ruling mullahs.

The July 9 strike is also putting Washington on the spot, as policymakers scramble to decide how the American government should respond.

Some say that American encouragement could make the difference in getting a protest large enough to topple the Iranian government, which President Bush has called part of the "axis of evil."

Reza Pahlavi, the son of the late shah of Iran, has been in touch with student organizers and is lending his support to the event.

"This could be a major turning point. It is crucial for the world community to pick up on this," Mr. Pahlavi told The New York Sun.

"The best way to invest in regime change in Iran is through the people of Iran themselves. It is so important at this stage to be supportive of the Iranian people and give them this moral solace that they?re not alone."

Mr. Pahlavi told the Sun the mullahs? "days are numbered" and that "Iranian society is picking up on these vibes."

The optimism of the Iranian opposition movement is palpable, despite a lack of attention in the Western press.

The July 9 strike, an organizer said, will be followed by protests in Washington, D.C., Los Angeles, and in Brussels at the European Union.

A California-based Iranian broadcaster, Paris Saffari, said Iranians are calling in to talk about the event every day on her radio program.

"We think in this period of time after the Iraq war, the people of Iran have a great hope.We think this time it will be a big event," Ms. Saffari said.

"We?re hoping this will be the clincher day; that it numbers the days of the mullahs," said Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi, a New York-based Iranian activist whose father, journalist Siamak Pourzand, is in jail in Tehran.

Yesterday, the French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, arrived in Tehran for meetings with Iranian officials,including President Khatemi,and the chairman of the powerful Expediency Council, a former president of Iran, Hashemi Rafsanjani.

The visit has angered Senator Brownback, a Republican of Kansas who has championed the cause of freeing Iran.

"The Iranian people are struggling for their freedom and yet, France continues to do business with this torturous regime" Mr. Brownback said yesterday. "Iran?s current regime is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. I find it shameful that the French would claim to support a secure world, and then do business with a regime that is actively dedicated to destroying that security."

Protests are planned today in Iran against Mr. de Villepin, Ms. Zand-Bonazzi said.

"Iranian university students and women are going to go out there and demonstrate in front of the French Embassy. We?re hoping it will be a huge turnout.

The French have made dirty deals with the mullahs. Chirac is one of the best friends of Khatemi."

A wide-scale revolt this summer by students in the Islamic Republic, where about 70% of the population is under the age of 30, would be momentous.

Some experts believe that regime change could be achieved with simple moral support from America. President Bush?s labeling the regime as part of an "axis of evil" was a good start, they say, but more must be done.

"The students are telling me they have basically made a decision that reform within the system is impossible. The story of the internal politics in Iran is not getting out.

"We really have a unique opportunity to do something good, and we are not," said Rob Sobhani, a professor at Georgetown University who closely follows the situation in Iran.

Mr. Sobhani said that a turnout of 500,000 Iranians in the streets this July could topple the government.

"If we did this right, we could have a regime change in Iran. It would just take for the U.S. to make very clear that we want to change the regime ? no platitudes, no pussyfooting around," he said.

Calls to the State Department and the National Security Council seeking comment were not returned.

A resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, Joshua Muravchik, said, "We ought to be making a lot of noise."

"We?re in a situation where it?s all psychological. We need enough people that will go into the streets with courage and do it," Mr. Muravchik said.

"We ought to be stepping up our broadcasts. Iranian opposition groups are proliferating, the Congress could easily put through something to support them," he added. "We?re not talking much money here, just a few million dollars just to disperse."

Mr. Brownback, who championed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 that funded anti-Saddam opposition groups, is pushing for a $50 million federally funded foundation to be created to help fund pro-freedom Iranian activities.



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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1491208 - 04/24/03 11:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hell yeah. The young of Iran consistently protest and say how Anti-Radical they are, and the U.S. does nothing but alienate them by calling them terrorists and Axis of Evil-Doers. Score one for Foreign Policy....Have they completely neutered Colin Powell and the State Department? Or does Bush just choose to ignore them all?


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1492727 - 04/25/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I hope they succeed.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1492802 - 04/25/03 12:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It should be noted that the article is from the New York Sun, which is a publication that is as partisan right as the NY Times is left.

I wish nothing but the best if Persians rise up and topple their government. That's the way it should be done, from within.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: grib]
    #1492825 - 04/25/03 01:06 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The Sun is definitely a partisan, almost British-style publication.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: grib]
    #1492849 - 04/25/03 01:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I wish nothing but the best if Persians rise up and topple their government. That's the way it should be done, from within. 




Yeah, but they're only rising up because america ousted tyrant saddam.  :tongue:


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Azmodeus]
    #1492903 - 04/25/03 01:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Does it matter why they choose to start now? The idea was there long before Saddam was gone, this just emboldened them a bit.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1493119 - 04/25/03 02:29 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What the Iranian dissidents need is for all the protesters who opposed going to war in Iraq to protest on their behalf. It will never happen, of course, because there is no way to sell it as an anti-American protest.

Still, wouldn't it be nice to see even half the protesters getting behind something that could actually lead to freedom and democracy with no need for foreign military intervention?

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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1493127 - 04/25/03 02:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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What the Iranian dissidents need is for all the protesters who opposed going to war in Iraq to protest on their behalf. It will never happen, of course, because there is no way to sell it as an anti-American protest.

Still, wouldn't it be nice to see even half the protesters getting behind something that could actually lead to freedom and democracy with no need for foreign military intervention?

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You nailed that one. If it's not anti-america, it won't happen.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1493335 - 04/25/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I wonder what Bush would find more terrifying. Fundamentalist islam or striking workers? That's a tough one to call. Fundamentalists or damn commies. His mind must be boggling  :smirk:


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1592173 - 05/30/03 07:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

bumped for hongomon

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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1592292 - 05/30/03 08:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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What the Iranian dissidents need is for all the protesters who opposed going to war in Iraq to protest on their behalf. It will never happen, of course, because there is no way to sell it as an anti-American protest.




Sorry but that is rubbish. The reason the protestors wont take to the streets is because our governments are not directly involved in this. You really think everyone hates poor old America that much?


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1593930 - 05/30/03 05:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, I almost missed it this time, too.


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    #1615592 - 06/06/03 10:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1622691 - 06/10/03 01:38 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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What the Iranian dissidents need is for all the protesters who opposed going to war in Iraq to protest on their behalf. It will never happen, of course, because there is no way to sell it as an anti-American protest.

Still, wouldn't it be nice to see even half the protesters getting behind something that could actually lead to freedom and democracy with no need for foreign military intervention?

pinky



What would one do to protest on the behalf of the Iranian uprisers? I'm sure everyone is for it if they do it themselves. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone against that.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: wingnutx]
    #1630074 - 06/12/03 11:50 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

?The Burnt Generation?
The dreams of Iranian youth.

By Koorosh Afshar *

I am an Iranian youth. Like many of my friends, I am also a student. Shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, I read an article that has stuck in my mind ever since. Its message was simple: "Nowhere in today's world can we live happy lives while at the same time, in another part of it, reactionary, militant despots plot and plan against humanity and civility from their dens?"

When my peers and I gather for our regular underground meetings, we often discuss that article. It helps to remember it as we plan our next moves against the 24-year-long plague that has hit our homeland, the land of the Persians.

The article did not strike me because I suddenly lost my own security after 9/11. We had no security to lose. My generation in Iran has never known security or, for that matter, real happiness.

Many of my peers have been lost to the Islamic Republic's dens of torture or solitary confinement. But, as cruel as 9/11 had been for the world, it gave me hope that the tragedy in New York and Washington would mark the beginning of many changes. I sensed that the world would finally seek to cure the illness, rather than merely treating the symptoms of a disease we, in Iran, know all too well: clerical fundamentalism and militancy.

But even as we Iranians push against our regime, we wish to share with you our story, in hopes of arousing in you an urge to lend moral support to our desire to end the mullahs' regime. Clerical militancy has not only brought upon us the wrath of the Western world, but has also led to desperation for the many Iranians suffering under the Islamic Republic.

My generation of Iranians ? and there are some 32 million of us ? were born just before or shortly after the 1979 Islamic Revolution. I have heard that in America, our peers are known as "Generation X." But in Iran, we are called the "burnt generation."

We started our political lives early. As tiny children in kindergarten, we learned to march and beat our fists, shouting: "Down with America!" "Down with Israel!" (or from time to time, depending on the politics of the day, Britain or Russia). No one ever bothered telling us anything about why we were supposed to harbor such ill-will towards the "satan-of-the-day."

Years before the world cared about Saddam, we got to know him all too well. As children we sought refuge in our mothers' arms as his artillery and missiles rained down on our homes, day and night, for months on end.

My peers all have stories about that eight-year nightmare. We lost fathers, brothers, arms and legs, cities, villages. And above all, my generation lost its innocence, to what, at the end, became the mullahs' war of political convenience.

After the New York tragedy, I remember helplessly crying when I read one day, on the Internet, about how careful Americans were to protect their children from emotional scars. Your government experts and teachers recommended that parents reinforce their love for children and keep their little ones from watching television.

When we had our tragedies, our leaders ? whether "reformer" or "hardliner" ? sought to fill our streets with hysterical mobs carrying coffins on their shoulders and chanting war slogans. This we saw live every day, in our streets and on television, for eight long years.

Can you imagine the "emotional scars" on a 6-year-old seeing the burnt skeleton of his father, his weeping mother by its side?

I can. I am that child.

My family's "sacrifice" on behalf of the mullahs' "holy war" is supposed to bring me and many thousands like me certain entitlements ? such as food coupons, guaranteed university admittance, and employment. At first, we did receive special pensions. But today, there is little left for those who made the ultimate sacrifice for their homeland.

The "Foundation of the Oppressed" charged with protecting our interests has become a multibillion-dollar fiefdom for Tehran's Islamist thieves. Only the well-fed children and siblings of the clerical elite benefit now. They retain absolute control over every imaginable moneymaking venture in Iran. From pistachios and satellite dishes to opium and oil, anything that makes money is divvied up among the mullahs. Mr. Rafsanjani and his children can tell you. They lead the list of our Islamist thieves.

Today, however, despite our despair, we have found hope. Hope among ourselves. Hope in our numbers. Hope in the fact that world seems to finally be caring. Hope in the fact that we may at last have a chance against the mullahs' rule.

Yet, we are nervous. Nervous of the endless debate among your opinion-makers: Shall we, or shall we not listen to the Iranian people? Is their discontent real or is it not? Should we engage moderate Islamists or should we not? Axis or no Axis?

Listen to our story. It is the story of life. It is the story of liberty. It is the story of the unalienable right to pursue happiness. It is the dream that made America, America. We have been deprived of the very basic rights which you take for granted every day in your free world.

We, too, want and deserve the freedom to dress. The freedom to speak. The freedom to assemble. The freedom to love and the freedom to dream.

We do not need military intervention in Iran. We do not need clandestine operations either. We need nothing but your resolve. Lend us a hand and we will take care of the rest. How, you ask? Simple: Do not deal with our mullahs.

It isn't only America's children that deserve to dream.

* ? Koorosh Afshar is a pseudonym for a student in Tehran. His name has been changed for his protection.




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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1630637 - 06/13/03 05:42 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Nice article pinky.

Thanks.


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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1630716 - 06/13/03 08:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: General Strike Set in Iran In Bid To Topple Mullahs [Re: Phred]
    #1633524 - 06/14/03 07:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I would be nice indeed if general interest were high enough and consistent enough to lead more often to action. A large mass of people seems powerful but with very little stamina.

At the closing Afshar spells out what he hopes from us:

We do not need military intervention in Iran. We do not need clandestine operations either. We need nothing but your resolve. Lend us a hand and we will take care of the rest. How, you ask? Simple: Do not deal with our mullahs.

So be it. Until Iran's situation has improved, I shall not deal with Iranian mullahs.

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