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With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat
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Imagine that your neighborhood is overrun by a gang. These brutes are wielding crowbars, knives, and pistols in a frenzied spree of home break-ins and mugging and murder. Now suppose the police reveal that their grand strategy for dealing with this gang is to block them from getting submachine guns--as if without such weapons, the gang would no longer bother people.

Would you sleep soundly at night?

Or would you be outraged? Of course you would, because this gang--even without more powerful weapons--is already a serious menace that must be stopped.

Now, what would you say if this ridiculous what-if scenario resembled our actual response to the very real threat from Iran?

Ever since taking U.S. embassy staff hostage in 1979, the Islamist regime in Teheran has led an international spree of bombings, hijackings, and other terrorist attacks on Americans and Westerners. Now politicians and diplomats, who put up with Iranian aggression for years, are loudly promising to block Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons.

On the campaign trail, for instance, the candidates debate how (i.e., with or without preconditions) they'd negotiate to dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuke--on the idea that without such a weapon in Iranian hands, everything will be hunky-dory.



Ex-fucking xactly. Iran is composed of nothing but superstitious, idiotic thugs. Now I have nothing against Arabs, as I am not racist. But the Muslim religion seems to be particularly anti-reason, anti-freedom,  anti-science and most of all anti-capitalist. And Iran has tried its best to make that backwards, caveman, moon worshiping religion into national law. Do you really feel safe living by that? That's like arguing that you can piggy back your way across the lake of fire without burning off your toes.

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There's more: The 9/11 Commission found that "senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives," and that "8 to 10 of the 14 Saudi 'muscle' operatives traveled into or out of Iran between October 2000 and February 2001." During the Afghanistan war, Iran welcomed fleeing al Qaeda and Taliban fighters. Today, according to the U.S. military, Iran is running training camps near Teheran for Iraqi insurgents, who return to Iraq to practice and train others in their bomb-making skills. There's also growing evidence that Iraqi insurgents get bomb technology from Iran.



What?! So we know there are terrorists in Iran who do attack the US. And yet we are okay with that so long as they promise not to acquire nukes. Now even if they make such a promise will you believe they will keep their word for a second?

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A rational assessment of Iran would have to recognize that the mullahs in Teheran have been conducting a proxy war against America. The inspiration for this war is Iran's jihadist goal of imposing Islamic totalitarianism globally. Iran is a leading sponsor of jihadists and the self-identified role model for exporting its Islamic revolution to other countries. It is the sworn enemy of the West. We should take seriously its call to bring "Death to America!"--because it has already done so.

But too many American diplomats and commentators refuse to judge Iran. Instead, they regard its past hostility as a string of disconnected crises, unrelated to Iran's ideological agenda. They avoid naming the nature of the regime and behave as if its acquisition of a nuclear weapon would be the decisive event. But that particular weapon--despite its power--cannot be the whole story, since we don't worry about other countries, such as France and Britain, having nukes. The rarely admitted difference is that the regime in Iran would eagerly press the launch button.

This fear-the-weapon-not-the-killer mentality refuses to understand the threat posed by Iran right now. This view holds that only the concrete facts about Iran's arsenal have any practical significance, while its abstract, ideological goals and character can be disregarded with impunity. But whether Iran uses one nuke, or attacks with more conventional weapons, its victims are still dead.

Our leaders' narrow concern with Iran's nuclear capability cannot make the regime's longstanding hostility to America go away. Americans should face the real character and conduct of the Iranian regime, before it is too late.



http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=19681&news_iv_ctrl=1021

Damn right. They've already declared war against us. They've already attacked us. Are we to just stand by idly while they plan our slaughter? At the very least you'd think the politicians would have enough sense for self-preservation, but clearly they are more concerned with helping crack queens and giving handouts to the imbecilic (even though such handouts only hold them  down) then making sure our freedoms are secure.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Daishi]
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Iran only poses a threat because we threaten them
if we weren't bombing their brothers in iraq iran wouldn't harbor hate towards us
the Iranians are very understanding, they believe they have a right to give Iraq weapons b/c the iraqis are defending the roofs over their heads which has already been established globally that, that is an acceptable thing to do


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Coaster]
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Coaster said:
Iran only poses a threat because we threaten them
if we weren't bombing their brothers in iraq iran wouldn't harbor hate towards us
the Iranians are very understanding, they believe they have a right to give Iraq weapons b/c the iraqis are defending the roofs over their heads which has already been established globally that, that is an acceptable thing to do



I hate to call bullshit, but, Iran's president has publicly said that the holocaust DID NOT happen.  That doesn't sound very understanding to me.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Daishi]
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Jesus dude, where do you come up with that shit?  Iran is a shit hole whether you believe they are a valid threat to us or not.












Hey, this guy is taking it in stride, maybe it is a paradise like you say...

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: SolomonTheShaman]
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SolomonTheShaman said:
Coaster said:
Iran only poses a threat because we threaten them
if we weren't bombing their brothers in iraq iran wouldn't harbor hate towards us
the Iranians are very understanding, they believe they have a right to give Iraq weapons b/c the iraqis are defending the roofs over their heads which has already been established globally that, that is an acceptable thing to do



I hate to call bullshit, but, Iran's president has publicly said that the holocaust DID NOT happen.  That doesn't sound very understanding to me.



i hate to call bullshit too but u are completely wrong
well not completely the media made u believe this u didnt just make it up


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Coaster]
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"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly."


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Coaster]
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What the president does or does not say is basically irrelevant because he has no real power, hes more of an ambassador.  The country is run by clerics.

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: DieCommie]
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it is relevant because his views are shared throughout the region


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Coaster]
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No my friend, the media did not make me believe this or anything else in my scope of understanding (or lack there of, according to some).  Your video clip shows Mr. Mamoud talking with an American journalist, after the initial statements were made.  Of course he's going to flip flop and say something different after the fact.  Even though a foreign one, he's still a politician.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: SolomonTheShaman]
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Daishi said:
Ex-fucking xactly. Iran is composed of nothing but superstitious, idiotic thugs. Now I have nothing against Arabs, as I am not racist. But the Muslim religion seems to be particularly anti-reason, anti-freedom,  anti-science and most of all anti-capitalist. And Iran has tried its best to make that backwards, caveman, moon worshiping religion into national law. Do you really feel safe living by that? That's like arguing that you can piggy back your way across the lake of fire without burning off your toes.



does the prominent religion in this country seem much different? no..

would we be better off with a country of people like you? no...

a little tolerance would go along way.  we just need to stop meddling in other peoples affairs and do our own thing.

it's all a farce anyhow... as carlin says, "power does what it wants" and we're just along for the ride it seems... sadly the outlook appears to be more and more grim.

but why people buy into this nonsense, i don't understand.  i guess we've been blinded and brainwashed for so long that we can't even comprehend how simple it would be to start making strides towards utopia.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: two_rivers]
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two_rivers said:
does the prominent religion in this country seem much different? no..



As Bill Maher said there is a difference between Jerry Falwell getting offended by an episode of the Simpsons and people being beheaded for it.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: two_rivers]
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does the prominent religion in this country seem much different? no..



I'm no fan of Christianity, but the answer to this rhetorical question is yes.

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Daishi]
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Yea the religion is very much different.  No place in the world has a violent religion like Islam anymore.  They are the last ones to reform, but hey somebodies got to be the last.

Also, I had to LOL when coaster begged to american propaganda, but supported his statement with an american interview done for the american people.  Just who is being fed the lies then?

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Daishi]
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they're different people, it's not for us to judge them.

we have our own monstrosities going on over here that we need to work on.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: two_rivers]
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Its not your place to tell us what we can and cannot judge.  My ancestors died for my right to make judgments and Im damn sure going to exercise that right.

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: DieCommie]
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:nonono:

nevermind.


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Yea the religion is very much different.  No place in the world has a violent religion like Islam anymore.  They are the last ones to reform, but hey somebodies got to be the last.

Also, I had to LOL when coaster begged to american propaganda, but supported his statement with an american interview done for the american people.  Just who is being fed the lies then?



what lies am i being fed that i gobble up i ask


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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Daishi]
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Iranians are Persians not Arabs.

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Coaster]
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Your the one that cited the american propaganda video for your claims.  Dont believe what the government tells you dude.  All those news anchors are just politicians working for the corporate machine.

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Re: With or Without Nukes, Iran Is a Mortal Threat [Re: Coaster]
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I am taking a literature class that is about mid-asian literature. So far all of the books we've read are about people in Iran. The books take place from the pre-hostage times until after the revolution. Most of the people in iran are not bad people. They are mostly like us, but they have such harsh rules and penalties for many simple things. Things are better now than they used to be, but if they found a woman wearing to much make up or a piece of hair out of her veil they would whip her.

The ruling power in Iran has control from fear. During the revolution the massacred thousands of their own population as political prisoners. Everything that you see on the news from Iran is only what they want you to see. The government has control of everything there from media to what they teach in Universities. The schools aren't even aloud to teach western literature, because the religious power holder hates western ideas.

The people that hate the US in Iran has very good reason to also. We have put our nose in their past way too many times. US and Britain helped a man overthrow the emperor in the early 1900s. They did this to get oil. This new man the Shah ended up being very strict. Then the US sent CIA agents to teach the Shah's men how to torture. We also helped Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war in the 80s. They have many reasons to hate us and you can thank the government for that.

I do believe the people of Iran need to be freed. I am not saying that we should be the ones to do it, but maybe we need to. It is obvious that is where most iraqi insurgents come from. I am sure that things will just keep escalating until something happens.


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