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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 9
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When I spawn grains to substrate I let it colonize before I add casing, when I spawn AIO jars I don't, both work fine :rockon:

Pic below was an AIO jar that I cased when I spawned it, the main reason I case AIO's at spawn is because I try to run my AIO's on the dry side and by the time they are ready to be spawned they need a good mist and by applying casing and give the tray a heavy mist before it's colonized, gives the substrate and not just the casing more moisture :naughty:



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Great info buddy. Why I wasted 5 days letting it recover :laugh2:

I will try both ways next time:takingnotes:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke] * 4
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma]
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@puduwoke:

Yeah the sheet speed of her method is what intrigued me the most because I can learn waaaay faster with this and get fruits very fast compared to bulk. my last attempt at spawning to bulk was such a fail...😅

To me it sounds logical that the fully colonised AIO jars don't need the recovery since it's already fully colonised opposed to bulk so all it will do if I let it recover is to get s grip on the substrate. But yeah that's just my theory and my logics based on what I've learnt so far :rockon:

Well yeah It's ballsy but I'm a risk taker by nature so it would've been much harder for me to not try to... I tend to learn fast thanks to this but sometimes shit crash and burn but that's part of the fun. Ingen kommer ihåg en fegis :naughty:


@kloakkk

That's exactly what I did. I tried keeping the substrate dryer than I would've otherwise and gave it a really heavy misting when I applied the casing.

It's REALLY nice to see I'm not such a noob anymore even though I am. :rolleyes:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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Puduwoke said:
Great info buddy. Why I wasted 5 days letting it recover :laugh2:

I will try both ways next time:takingnotes:


I wouldn't say you wasted 5 days, different strokes for different folks and all that, and I have no evidence that letting it colonize would have given me a different result. When I spawn AIO jars I only use coir, and as tree suggest I don't break up the AIO to "dust" so it didn't take long before the substrate was colonized.

And there's always the risk of the casing(if not properly pasteurized) contaminating weakened mycelium when it's not colonized before casing, so it's really not a bad practice to let it do so before applying casing. One other reason I personally like to apply casing early is because I can't get lids for my trays and I don't feel bold enough to let it colonize in the dreamer without something covering most of the tray.. I've tried some random shit, but it's a real PITA :lol:

Like Plexiglas :muppet:


SkanskKorv said:
@kloakkk

That's exactly what I did. I tried keeping the substrate dryer than I would've otherwise and gave it a really heavy misting when I applied the casing.

It's REALLY nice to see I'm not such a noob anymore even though I am. :thumbdown:


Weeeell I'm a big fucking noob myself and I don't fully understand the things I do and that is why I follow other's tek. I think It's going to take a couple of years just for me to settle on what works best with what is available here, but that is the fun part anyway.

I think it was Thurman who said something in the lines of: "some are fruit driven and some are result driven" and I'm definitely result driven, and then it doesn't matter how long it takes, I'll keep grinding until I understand what I am doing with the tools I can get and hopefully I'll still enjoy this hobby when I do :uhoh:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Lol dude even if you're a noob you seem to have gotten a massive grasp on this hobby which is why I listen to your tips and every single one has actually been a good one so far.

And yeah I definitely agree, the learning curve is the fun part! If I already knew how to do this perfectly I wouldn't enjoy it as much as I do now... I've gotten mad skilled with many other things and every single hobby became kinda boring after that:shrug:

His saying is very true, I've met some people here who call me crazy and they're telling me I'm overdoing it by not just using a simple pf tek. And the pf tek is cool and all its just that it gets boring fast and it's very limited so I prefer learning how to do it the right way and get better results by trial and error. When I find a hobby I become obsessed and I've been constantly reading and thinking about mushroom cultivation so much that it's even slowing my real job as a welder down massively:crazy2: this is what drives me though because I need special interests I can become a total geek with :lol:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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Thanks man and I'm glad I'm giving good info, 99% of it I learned here. I hope in the future I'll get better and could help out more for the community, but I'm still hesitant because I don't want to give bad advice, luckily the few times I did someone set it straight :muppet:

Yeah, I can totally relate, I've been brewing beer for almost 10 years now, I learned a lot and it's been a good ride, but in the end I did wine even though I almost never drink it just to try to keep it interesting :lol: I still brew, but a whole lot less then I used to.

Agree and I get obsessed too man, lost a lot of sleep due to much cult reading :rofl: And I have been a little better at the pacing with much cult then I did with brewing, trying every yeast, hop and beer style I could, to the point where I had to buy more kegs then I could fit in my two kegerators just to brew more.. Not good for the wallet :muppet:

But I am certainly not going at the speed I should either. My hope is that with a little more time and a few other variety's I'll calm down a little and focus on only a few variety's at the time, but then again, I know myself, so we'll see :lol:

I think pf tek is the bomb and when I venture in to LI and feel I can handle it I'll probably do some cakes, I mean, why not :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 5
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@aio recovery

The substrate doesn't need to recover really, as it's already colonized.

However, I like to give my casings 2-3 days to colonize at higher rH and co2 levels than fruiting.  I.e. lid on.  If the lids are tight don't snap them down (microwave safe food containers for example).  If the lids allow some air, like a shoebox, it's fine to snap it closed.

This gives the mycelium access to all the nutrients in the casing.  I know I know, casings are low in nutrients...  But this is just macronutrients.  Carbon and nitrogen.  Casings are full of minerals and humic acids that mushrooms seem to like.  And of course, water.  Which is life to mushrooms even more than for people (95% vs 70% water).

Additionally, the colony has to fight gravity to move water into the fruits, making the water in the casing the easiest for them to work with.

tree frog's favorite science article, probably because frogs love water and it's all about how colonies move it around

Also, colonized casings are easier to read (the water droplets will settle on the myc in the casing rather than making it a wet mess) and fruits from a colonized casing are less likely to have the caps covered in peat.

You can see the dew here.  As well as pin heads that are forming in the casing, rather than under it.



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
How would you guys go about making a sub for pasteurization out of Composted Cow Manure and Straw?

I'm thinking of doing TF's AIO jar mixture, but adding straw and leaving out the grain obviously. So 2 parts Coir, 2 parts Manure, 1 part straw, with Gypsum, Calcium Carbonate, and Micro Nutrients.

Not sure if the CC is beneficial, I could use some advice on that.

Also, the bagged manure I bought feels wet. I'm going to dry it, but I'm thinking of doing my first batch mixed with verm to absorb any extra moisture, since air drying will take weeks. Can anyone perceive any problems with doing that?

Comments or criticisms are welcome.


You could prep your coir dryer.  Or let the straw balance the manure.  Verm isn't a bad option, just not usually my preference.

Calcium carbonate I like to use in ratios similar to gypsum, but I don't use a whole lot of either in substrate.  Like a couple tablespoons of each for the full aio prep (four half gallon jars).


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Could I get a gut check on this?  First time doing Pan Cyans. This is originally from a spore print and several transfers in at this point. I have 3 other plates but this looked the best so far. Any views on whether to do more transfers or send to grain?  Thanks!

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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I have a bucket of coir that’s begs to differ…

Coir is very low in nutrition however shit will grow on it. Just less likely hood especially when it’s colonized by something like mycelium


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Banfir]
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If it's just coir, mold won't germinate on it.

But cross contamination from dirty buckets or poor quality coir (tiny bits of coconut meat for example) can give enough nutrients for germination.

Good quality coir prepped in a clean bucket shouldn't ever mold, unless you drop germinated mold in for some reason (I believe hindsight did this in his trich cultivation thread).

Banfir said:
Could I get a gut check on this?  First time doing Pan Cyans. This is originally from a spore print and several transfers in at this point. I have 3 other plates but this looked the best so far. Any views on whether to do more transfers or send to grain?  Thanks!


Looks good from here fam!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 2
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Coir can def germ mold. It isn’t super common, but I’ve had it happen a handful of times over the years. I don’t think there are enough nutrients present in coir for it to mature & proliferate, hence why we never see it go green or spot beefed up hyphae. But I believe it can hang around for a bit. Kinda like the way you can germ spores on water agar. The myc isn’t going to grow well but all a spore needs to germ is moisture.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] * 1
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28096294/fpart/1/vc/1

(Substrate test c-2)

You're right fam, looks like trich gerninated in both grain water inoculated coir and clean coir.

But the trich wasn't visible in either case until later, when spawn was added.

Guess leaving coir in a bucket is a contamination risk after all.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Bucket was sterilized with iso and the. Used to pasteurize substrate. Opened once. Yes I could have accident propagated mold but I don’t think that’s the case.



First thought was maybe I dropped a grain in it, but it doesn’t look like cube to me more like cobweb mold


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: misterswisher] * 1
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Yup that’s mold. You didn’t sterilize the bucket with iso, you just sanitized it. Nutritive substrate molds if you don’t use it. Very normal.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Yeah sanitized that was the word I was looking for lmao. Yall knew what I meant. Just got in my lunch break I figured I’d post the pic to back up what I was saying lol.

But yeah either this coir was dirty or it was bad luck but I guess I’m not letting any coir sit in my buckets anymore 😂 decided to just use a different one and throw that one out.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: misterswisher]
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It’s not that it’s dirty, it’s that you can’t keep any nutritive substrate in a bucket without it eventually growing something. Opening it once let in plenty of mold spores. That’s just how she goes


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Well that’s not poo and coir.. it’s just coir.  I know I’m on the pan thread i just seen someone say coir itself won’t mold and yeah I’ve heard that said on here over and over that coir is non nutritious and will not grow mold. Seen it said again and yeah coir grows mold fam 😂 weather like tree frog said it’s just not clean and has some coconut in it, or coir itself can sustain mold idk but that shit will contam on you eventually. Shit this was only after a week.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: misterswisher] * 2
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Oh my mistake. I thought since you were in the pan thread it had added nutrients lol.

Yeah if my plain coir molded on me I’d be looking at a lot of factors. Primarily, was this bucket ever used for anything else besides straight coir?


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