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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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^ ty! so ideal harvest time would be when the cap is wavy but before it spores'?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Huskies] * 5
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I don't know if it's ideal from a potency perspective, but I usually harvest them when one of the big ones starts dropping spores. Unless it's way ahead of the others then I just cut the cap off and print that one.

I mainly do it that way because of the mess.

As far as a good time to print if that's your goal, if you see those fruits in my signature.  Those are probably starting to drop but still have a lot of spores in them.

They'll get a bit lighter and the caps will flatten and potentially curl.  The one in the foreground on the left got a little dry but not so much that it aborted. That's why it's much lighter than the others.

Here's a less flattering angle of the same grow.



And a day or two before.





These were the ones I just top dressed with compost, coir, and grass seed.


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Edited by tree frog (06/09/25 05:48 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 10
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Built a second JCM chamber.  Thought I’d fix a few things that were annoying with my first one. 

First I locked the latches in the upright position.  Not sure why it took me so long to fix that because it was quite annoying having to try and get them all upright after they fell every time I took the lid off.. also put screws in the top of each one so I can adjust the lid gap up or down


The side screw heads also give me a place to hang the hose splitter

Used these L braces for the drip shield.  That way I can simply turn them so all points touch the DS and it’s nice and secure.  Added a middle set because the plexi will sag in the middle if it’s not there.  The eye hooks are to keep the DS from sliding all the way to side of the tub; leaving a gap for airflow and water drainage.  Also gave it a steeper grade


Taking her for a maiden voyage tomorrow


Also made a 16qt sidecar bubbler tub.  I can float 2 trays and run one airstone that comes off the main chamber pump.  It’ll be unheated and used for casing runs pre-pinning and any tray overflow if I get spawn happy, but I figure mid-summer it’ll function as a heated chamber. 

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 3
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Man I’m stealing the screw idea, latches have broken off many of my totes and I’ve been trying to think of an easy way to create the gap without them. Thank you for that faht!

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: kirkeng]
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@Korv you might want to take down those fingerprints.  Most are fuzzy but still.  I just know what's been done.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dr. Smoke]
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Dr. Smoke said:
@Korv you might want to take down those fingerprints.  Most are fuzzy but still.  I just know what's been done.


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... You're absolutely right. I highly doubt this would be a problem though since my fingerprints haven't been registered by any authorities at all so they can't just see this and frame me by scanning it but it could definitely cause issues if they link this account to me but that's highly unlikely.

Thanks for the heads-up though mate, I didn't even think about this.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] * 4
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EniQma said:
Looks like brown spores from here. Pretty sure all active pans have black spores



Update: they're jet-black. I don't know what other traits to look for but these look a lot like the pan prints people sent to me.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 1
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If you germinate it, cinctulis myc is odd compared to most pans, as it will make stones on agar.

Foe spores are dark brown btw.  I read that a magic marker can be a good comparison. If they are lighter than that, they might be dark brown instead of black.

But that does look black from here :shrug:


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/10/25 01:29 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
If you germinate it, cinctulis myc is odd compared to most pans, as it will make stones on agar.

Foe spores are dark brown btw.  I read that a magic marker can be a good comparison. If they are lighter than that, they might be dark brown instead of black.

But that does look black from here :shrug:



Will do. This is a perfect time to use my leftover Petri dishes since these must be filled with contams already so I feel there's no need for sterility while germinating it with spores.

And I definitely don't have to compare, it's straight up as jet-black if not more than TTBVI when you see it irl so they're not dark brown but I've set the caps on new tinfoil to see if it's still jet-black when the prints start to thin out.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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I’ve had prints look like that on foil that look brown on white paper


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 6
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As I understand there's several Panaeolus species (like P ater) that could pass for cinctulus, but that looks very much like the cincts I grew and the print seems to check out too.

If you grow it, it will indeed make little stones and the stones will turn blue (or green) really fast.

For comparison: next to a cube


Pinning


Maturing


I'm pretty sure it's the real thing Edit: checked out some foenisecii outside and it also really looks like those. I guess I haven't been looking at local pans for a long time. Anyway if it forms yellowish stones on agar, that spontaneously turn green / blue upon ageing, it's the real thing.


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Edited by Churpee Choozle (06/10/25 03:13 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 7
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Over fall I was trying to germinate some mystery South Africa. And my strategy was to go BRF for the germination, and then cabins sequester just to make sure stuff was clean.

But I kept getting frustrated because I cannot get the growth to organize on a plate. And my assumption was that my print was contaminated with some sort of mold spores that I was transferring in spite of the care I was taking with BRF and sequestering.

Here's the disorganized growth I kept seeing.





But then I thought, maybe that disorganized growth is actually viable. And perhaps they are missing and essential nutrient considering they've been found near wood often.  So I took some of the disorganized growth, as well as the organized stuff where hyphae were more clearly visible, and I inoculated too small jars of wheat with wedges.

The disorganized growth colonized the sponge jars much faster. And it looked like pan myc in vitro, maybe more dense and faster than usual, but nothing super suspicious.  The organized growth was slow and I eventually forgot about that jar and got caught up in other projects.

The disorganized growth was spawned and put into fruiting but gnats wiped out everything else in my tent last week and I forgot about my mystery sa, mystery.

Until today, when I peaked in the tent and found...




So yeah, I think we may need to forget some of the things we think we know about reading pan mycelium on agar when it comes to tea tree and mystery (likely the same species, and both often found in woody debris).

Edit for clarity.

Leading hyphae were visible in the blue , organized faster growth on the plate but slow on grains.  No visible hyphae on the green and slow on the plate.  But faster on grain and is now pinning.

Also, sorry for all the speech to text typos above.  About to head out the door so no time to fix.



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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/10/25 04:25 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Idk pan mycelium in general is kinda strange. The only thing I’ve had any luck with on agar is germ plates. Every transfer I make moves at about half cube speed, so I stopped transferring.

Obviously I’m getting subpar results in tubs,  but I mean it’s working, which is surprising enough to me.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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I have the same problem. Transfers away from germ plates are slower than my cubensis. I have no clue way. Last time I tried 1% malt will pour some 0.5% but shouldn't be that. No clue whats going one. Happy to hear I'm not the only one.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke] * 4
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A lot of us learned to use 0.5% from baba.

Here's one I missed of the odd mystery growth.



Here's bispo and chloro for comparison.





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
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Puduwoke said:
I have the same problem. Transfers away from germ plates are slower than my cubensis. I have no clue way. Last time I tried 1% malt will pour some 0.5% but shouldn't be that. No clue whats going one. Happy to hear I'm not the only one.


On a few people’s recommendation I did try lighter nutrient density and also did not see changes, although that could be explained by lack of skill at the time. Might be worth trying again.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 4
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lighter nutes!:oldman:

I keep trying larger tubs for pans, this is chlorocystis in a 54qt, but they seem to hate it....


also have a couple 32qt of bisporus and chloro that I'm trying with no casing...they've been spawned since May 18 and I'll give em 2 more weeks before giving in.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 5
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These two where left outside my fruiting chamber with only a thin plastic lid loosely on top and no casing.




I'm guessing that the lack of proper fruiting conditions is why they are so thin with under developed caps.

I have a few questions that I would appreciate an expert's opinion on:

Are they ready for harvest? Is there any benefit to letting them go longer?

Does the fact that there are multiple fruits mean that they have good growing genetics?

If so, what would be my best way to preserve those genetics? I'm guessing spore prints are out of the question. How do you clone from something so small and delicate?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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Puff, what is the fruiting chamber?
harvest the ones you see turning blue, they're aborting, and also get the tray inside of whatever chamber you're using....if there's no space, throw it in a bag and poke some holes.  you've got some healthy looking pins coming in and prints aren't totally out......I can't help with cloning, I'm like 1 for 10,000 there.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger]
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I have a JCM. About 300 GPH running 3 air stones.

Unfortunately, the pinning trays are showing a couple green spots so I don't think they will last long either way.

I have two other trays in the FC right now. I haven't been having luck with a jiffy mix casing, so I tried some fine verm to see if it would behave different. No pins on those trays yet, but the mycelium is starting to poke through the casing.


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