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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
SkanskKorv said:
Oh nevermind... I read that again and I know the answer now which is that I'm too drunk to be doing research right now


I shudder to think how less advanced shroom knowledge would be if it wasn't for drunken research.


So what you're saying is that I should have another drink? Deal.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
SkanskKorv said:
Oh nevermind... I read that again and I know the answer now which is that I'm too drunk to be doing research right now


I shudder to think how less advanced shroom knowledge would be if it wasn't for drunken research.


So what you're saying is that I should have another drink? Deal.
PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
They are 100% cubes. My AIO pan jars are still colonizing, so I used a couple BRF pucks to test the JCM while I wait. I figured since cubes can handle similar conditions they would be a good test case while I wait.

I had issues with condensation and low temps so the test was worthwhile. That way I don't end up ruining my pan grows while I learn the ins and outs of my JCM. If the cubes died, it's no big deal. I have lots of cubes on the go in all stages.



I'll be keeping this in mind because it's quite clever imo.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 2
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Question about JCMs, do I need to get the humidity below 100% to encourage evaporation for pinning?


Yes.  It can fluctuate up into 100%, but when it's at 100 you're not getting evaporation.  I aim for around 95 and play with it from there.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 4
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Mackload said:


bisporus maybe stalled but I can't tell, thin but maybe still progressing slowly? would you toss and start again? (I have some nice plates ready) Or litfa and see if it consolidates? Or try and fruit if it's not obviously contaminated?


Not stalled. Beautifully colonized. Send it :rockon:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 2
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So I have run into a bit of a conundrum with my JCM. With the lid on, upside down, or placed crooked I have too much humidity and not enough fae:

See this picture of my test cube. You can see that mycelium has grown on the cap:



All my measurements are taken with a cheap digital hygrometer so take the numbers with a giant pinch of salt.

Humidity sits around 99% with the lid on in any configuration.

Now with the lid completely off I can maintain 85-86% humidity and 73f and it appears to read the same 3/4 up the height of my tub




I'm guessing I need a bigger air pump to increase FAE enough to offset the humidity or perhaps a fan, but my son's 18th birthday is at the end of the month so all my extra money is earmarked for that.

How bad would it be if I just ran a pan tray without the JCM lid short-term?

I'm guessing I'll need to mist the casing a bit more, but since I'm new I don't know if there are other problems that I'm not anticipating.

Has anyone ran a lidless JCM before and can share more information about it?


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Edited by PuffM4gicDr4gon (03/12/25 05:09 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas]
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:ralphie:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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Can you just offset the lid a bit or flip ot?  Or give it a gap with some clips or clothes pins?  Put a small fan in the room to encourage air movement?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Offsetting the lid doesn't reduce humidity enough.

I have other tubs in the room so I was worried that a fan would dry them out too much.

It probably would be easier to adjust the fae in the other monotubs to compensate for the extra fae now that you mention it. I'll give that a shot and see what happens.

Thanks!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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If you can get even a small amount of air movement in the room it will help


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] * 2
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For what its worth, I don't really pay attention to the humidity on the JCM FC which is quite different from running an actual grow tent. If you followed the JCM thread to the brim, it pretty much takes care of itself with the recommended aquarium pump specs and air stones. He was running a tote that was around 110qts on two air pumps (300GPH each for a total of 600GPH). The water heater also kept everything warm and humid the way pans love it. If you're running a smaller tub, a 66qt for example, you might get away with 250GPH pump or somewhere around that.

That being said, my own (600GPH) pump runs two JCM chambers (54qt each) simultaneously, having the capacity for eight (9"x6"x2") take out food trays, four 2qt (pyrex) trays, two 3qt (pyrex) trays or two 4.8qt (pyrex) trays. Anything else will be left around fending for themselves. Fundamentally and like RR once said 'Even at 100% humidity, evaporation will still occur'. The biggest catalyst being the warm humidity itself. Honestly i can be a sadist waterboarding my trays once or twice per day..and they still evaporate with that rate of abuse lol :heart::heart:



ps,
I'm currently using take out trays over pyrex, they're easier to handle and more kind on my deteriorating/arthritis afflicted hands. :oldman:


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Edited by astra (03/13/25 05:37 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra] * 4
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Update on my attempt to grow pans from contaminated spawn.

Harvest day:

One tiny pan that doesn't even seems to drop spores!!!
Next time, I will trash my dirty spawn.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: astra]
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RogerRabbit said:
You can have 100% humidity right at the substrate surface, while having +/-95% humidity within the air of the fruiting chamber itself.  Even at 99% humidity, if you're getting good fresh air exchange, evaporation from the substrate will occur.
RR


Just wanted to clarify that quote.  He's talking about the chamber being 95 and the surface being 100.  The fresh air exchange, or mixing of these two microclimates, is how evaporation is occuring.

And the jcm provides a lot of air to the chamber.  I never measured rh in mine with anything halfway accurate though, but I'm sure it wasn't 100% throughout, or I wouldn't have had fruits.


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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My biggest issue is that my air pump is too small. I used an extra one I have laying around, but it's a cheap $20 one (maybe 80gph). I plan to get my chamber up to 600gph eventually, I just can't before the end of March.

I'm paying for a tattoo for my son for his 18th. He's found an artist he likes and is reserving his appointment tomorrow. He's thinking of starting a back piece. I warned him that it can be painful, but he's a tough kid and is willing to stick it out no matter what. I've been working a ton of OT to pull together as much as I can for it. I have $500 so far which is all I promised him, but I'm hoping to be able to come up with another few hundred before the end of the month.

All I need is a stop-gap between now and then. The fan seems to be working ok. I'm about to leave for the road, but I'll have my wife monitor my monotubs surface conditions and mist if necessary.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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Well if the test cubes pinned and the hydrometer says 100, I would ditch the hydrometer and just read the fruits.

Even nice ones tend to be less accurate at very high humidity.

Edit:  And what a cool birthday present!  My older brother tattooed my arm for my 18th.  It's nice looking back, remembering that day and thinking of him :heart:


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (03/13/25 07:07 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Well if the test cubes pinned and the hydrometer says 100, I would ditch the hydrometer and just read the fruits.

Even nice ones tend to be less accurate at very high humidity.


Thanks TF!

Reading the fruits is what told me I had to do something. The caps started growing mycelium on them at lower levels. See here:



They definitely are pinning though.

For the Pans I might just raise them a bit higher above the water line.

I'm probably worrying more than I need to. I had an unexpected day off so I started mother-henning my grows lol


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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Ahh..  yeah, pans might be more resistant to that since they naturally grow where the humidity is a touch higher than cubes.  At least, I've never had mycelium grow on caps at 95-98 rh.

I read the stipes and caps.  Fuzzy feet when it gets halfway up means more fae or less rh.  Dry caps mean less fae or more rh.

Also, I let edited my last comment. I just think your son's birthday present is cool.  And got a tattoo from my big brother on my 18th.


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 4
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He called me from his GFs house a few months ago it started with "I want your permission". He was basically asking if he could have permission for his GF to do a stick and poke tattoo on him in her room.

First off, what an amazing kid to ask and not just do it.

He gave me a description of what he wanted, and assured me they would be clean. I told him that it was his body and I wouldn't be mad if he did it, but I reminded him about all the contamination problems I've been having in my mushroom grow. I explained that alcohol doesn't kill 100% of things, and asked him to Google what a staph infected tattoo looks like and what treatment is needed. I also explained that while extremely unlikely, it is possible that it could lead to an amputation as a worst case scenario. I asked him how would his GF feel knowing she was involved if the worst case scenario happened. I ended telling him I'll love him no matter what, but if it gets infected I'm going to bug him about it for a LONG time.

He ended up coming home without the tattoo. He had every opportunity to do so, I couldn't have stopped him, but he considered the consequences and decided to do the safe thing and wait.

I basically knew then I wanted to pay for his first tattoo. I also like the idea of having a gift from me and his mother permenantly with him. Long after we're gone, that tattoo and the memories associated with it will stay with him. Seems like a perfect coming of age gift.

Sorry for the off topic, but it's a story I'm really proud to tell.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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:bestcry:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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Well I loved you sharing all of that.  And I agree, having a gift from you two that he will always have and always have with him is, yeah as someone that has that from my big brother it's nice :smile:


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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tree frog said:
Well I loved you sharing all of that.  And I agree, having a gift from you two that he will always have and always have with him is, yeah as someone that has that from my big brother it's nice :smile:


I'm so happy you have something from your family like that, especially given how you mentioned that you don't see your family as much as you like. ❀️ πŸ’™ πŸ’œ

If he's OK with it, I'll post the final results after he gets it.


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