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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog]
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cybork said:
You pasteurize the compost stagger?


Yes, always.  One time I haven't since I began using it, ended before it started.  A few store items I can get away with using straight from the bag, but I think they're all heat treated during processing.

I pasteurize like this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
......but I think I might be a dinosaur with it.  Maybe an IP or sous vide will be my next upgrade.

Edited by stagger (02/22/25 06:13 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stagger]
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I would totally do pasturisation in a similar way to this if I needed a shit load of compost.

I'd want to buy a temperature probe to stick into the middle of the compost to check what setting my cook top needs to be set at to hold the compost at the proper temperature.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Dkeppel]
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Dkeppel said:
I would totally do pasturisation in a similar way to this if I needed a shit load of compost.

I'd want to buy a temperature probe to stick into the middle of the compost to check what setting my cook top needs to be set at to hold the compost at the proper temperature.


Yea you'd for sure NEED  the probe.  I spend the first hour or 2 keeping tabs and even relighting the burner for 10 minutes like suggested, but I've got a good read on my stove at this point. It's auto pilot most the time until I use a new sub ratio or material.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stagger] * 4
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stagger said:
cybork said:
You pasteurize the compost stagger?


Yes, always.  One time I haven't since I began using it, ended before it started.  A few store items I can get away with using straight from the bag, but I think they're all heat treated during processing.

I pasteurize like this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
......but I think I might be a dinosaur with it.  Maybe an IP or sous vide will be my next upgrade.


I do something similar but with a two gallon HDPE bucket instead of jars.

Pastuerization
There are a lot of ways to pastuerize casing, this is just how I do it.

I loaded the prepped peat into yet a third bucket.  This one is only 2.5 or 3 gallons, small enough to fit inside a 23qt Presto.


I have a raised trivet in my PC.  This keeps the bucket up off the burner and out of the hot water.  I also have a hole drilled in the lid of the bucket.  I run a temperature probe in through that.


This is an old PC lid.  So, I took the plug out and threaded the probe wire through that.  I also set my probe alarm at 160f.


An induction burner spoils me.  I set the temperature at 175f, as I know these HDPE buckets won't melt at 180f (as I dump boiling water in them often).  I also set the timer for 10 hours as the default is 1, and I don't want it to shut off early.


Once it's up to temperature, my probe beeped, and I set the timer for 90 minutes.  So the burner will shut off on its own.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tree frog] * 1
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:kummeli:
Guess I'm wasting a lot of my own time.  I've got a decent countertop plate but not with the temp and time settings. 

How long does that much material take to get up to temp?  I'd never be able to do that size container on my stove, I'd have the burners on forever trying to get it proper. 

For whatever reason I also don't use my PC for this.  I use a smaller pot that I can do 4 jars at a time....wow, I'm really inefficient, but it keeps me from being wasteful also.  That's good stuff TF, thank you again!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stagger]
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Inoculated some BRF pucks with liquid culture about a week ago, the mycelium is growing well. I'm aiming to transfer to grain eventually - should I transfer a small biopsy of the puck mycelium to agar, grow that out with a few transfers, and then transfer that to the grain?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Romes]
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Romes said:
Q: I finally started to grow some more fun/exotics. I grew some APE's (nutcrackers to be more specific) and they are strooooooooong. Is it normal for them to potentially be 5-6x as strong as GT? My first few grows were GT, and at one point in testing them I did a .75g test. Felt good in the body, a slight high I suppose, no visuals... When traveling the other day I went to microdose the APE's and took .14g... and it felt the exact same as the .75g GT.

Does this scale? As in if I take 1g of this APE will it be similar to 5-6g of GT?


PE is often more potent than a normal cube like GT, it has been bred to be the way it is. And yes a 1g PE trip will be stronger than a 1g GT trip. I personally have tripped off of 6g of PE, it was extremely different and than 6g of a standard GT type cube.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: stagger] * 1
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stagger said:
:kummeli:
Guess I'm wasting a lot of my own time.  I've got a decent countertop plate but not with the temp and time settings. 

How long does that much material take to get up to temp?  I'd never be able to do that size container on my stove, I'd have the burners on forever trying to get it proper. 


Maybe two hours.  Maybe three or closer to four.  Depends on how cold the room is.

I don't really watch it like a hawk or anything.  The induction is set to 175f, so it never exceeds that temperature.  I just set the probe, and go smoke weed and watch TV or work on projects.

When I hear it beeping, I set the timer for 90 minutes, and it turns off by itself.  In theory I could set it for six hours and just pastuerize it over night without monitoring it.  But it feels like a waste of electricity.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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I am having problems making LMEA agar with my new Presto 23qt PC. This was first PC'd at 15 PSI for 20 minutes but there was a bunch of shit still floating around so I thought to myself it didn't fully dissolve. So I PC'd it for another 40 minutes and it was still the same. So I PC'd it again at 17 PSI for 20 minutes and this is how it turned out.









What is going on? I never had a problem making LMEA with my old pressure cooker which only went up to 11 PSI and I'd PC it for 45 minutes.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16] * 2
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Jrey16 said:
I am having problems making LMEA agar with my new Presto 23qt PC. This was first PC'd at 15 PSI for 20 minutes but there was a bunch of shit still floating around so I thought to myself it didn't fully dissolve. So I PC'd it for another 40 minutes and it was still the same. So I PC'd it again at 17 PSI for 20 minutes and this is how it turned out.









What is going on? I never had a problem making LMEA with my old pressure cooker which only went up to 11 PSI and I'd PC it for 45 minutes.


Do you combine ingredients and boil before you PC?

When I make my LME agar I add all the ingredients into a small sauce pan and use an immersion blender to help everything dissolve evenly, bring it to a boil, then I put it in a container and PC it.

I exclusively run a Presto 23qt and have never had any issues with agar of any type. I steam for 10-20 minutes after the stopcock pops up, and then PC for 45 minutes. Haven't had an issue yet.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Jrey16]
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Jrey16 said:
I am having problems making LMEA agar with my new Presto 23qt PC. This was first PC'd at 15 PSI for 20 minutes but there was a bunch of shit still floating around so I thought to myself it didn't fully dissolve. So I PC'd it for another 40 minutes and it was still the same. So I PC'd it again at 17 PSI for 20 minutes and this is how it turned out.









What is going on? I never had a problem making LMEA with my old pressure cooker which only went up to 11 PSI and I'd PC it for 45 minutes.


What type of water are you using? Also is your LME fine powder when you add it to the water? I use a Instant Pot and put 400ml of filtered water, 8g LME, and 8g of Agar powder into my media bottle and shake good. 45 minutes in the Instant pot and it comes out great every time.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Axman]
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Axman said:
Romes said:
Q: I finally started to grow some more fun/exotics. I grew some APE's (nutcrackers to be more specific) and they are strooooooooong. Is it normal for them to potentially be 5-6x as strong as GT? My first few grows were GT, and at one point in testing them I did a .75g test. Felt good in the body, a slight high I suppose, no visuals... When traveling the other day I went to microdose the APE's and took .14g... and it felt the exact same as the .75g GT.

Does this scale? As in if I take 1g of this APE will it be similar to 5-6g of GT?


PE is often more potent than a normal cube like GT, it has been bred to be the way it is. And yes a 1g PE trip will be stronger than a 1g GT trip. I personally have tripped off of 6g of PE, it was extremely different and than 6g of a standard GT type cube.


Thanks for the feedback. So in your opinion in my attempts to dose correctly, is extrapolating that .14 = .75 to 1g = 5g reasonable in my expectations?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Romes]
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Romes said:
Thanks for the feedback. So in your opinion in my attempts to dose correctly, is extrapolating that .14 = .75 to 1g = 5g reasonable in my expectations?


It could be, each person and each trip is different. It's hard to quantify dosage, but I personally would take 1g and if you want more, double it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Axman]
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Has anyone ever given a dairy pasteurizer a shot for substrate and casing? Like one of these, for example:
They function a lot like tree frog’s setup, so it seems viable in theory.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Purrmes]
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is putting a clear plastic bag w holes poked over shoeboxes for fruiting still advised? growing nats btw


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Axman]
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Fuck. Last night I ran 6 qt jars of millet in my presto. For two and a half hours. I put three quarts of water in the Presto. So level with the bottom minimum level marking..

This normally is plenty of water if I'm doing PF jars for 90 minutes.


I wasn't aware that I probably needed to add more water for a much longer cycle.

Long story short. I did not babysit it I went to my room and came back when my timer was off. When I got back it was no longer steaming.

I turned it off and let it cool and open it up today to see that it basically went through all of the water.

I have no clue when it stopped so I don't know if everything actually finished sterilizing and I'm hoping I didn't fuck up my presto.


Anyways how much water are you guys putting in for 2 to 2 and 1/2 hour cycle. so it doesn't dry up on you?


And when doing so are you having to raise the trivet even higher or is it okay that some of the bottoms of the jars become submerged?


And I'm also afraid the same thing happened to six jars I did the night before. Because I had my wife turn it off for me in case I fell asleep which I did.

She doesn't remember if it was still going or not. the water level was very low. But not as low as it was on the second round.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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QTS I run for two hours standard 3 QTS of water in the PC


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
Fuck. Last night I ran 6 qt jars of millet in my presto. For two and a half hours. I put three quarts of water in the Presto. So level with the bottom minimum level marking..

This normally is plenty of water if I'm doing PF jars for 90 minutes.


I wasn't aware that I probably needed to add more water for a much longer cycle.

Long story short. I did not babysit it I went to my room and came back when my timer was off. When I got back it was no longer steaming.

I turned it off and let it cool and open it up today to see that it basically went through all of the water.

I have no clue when it stopped so I don't know if everything actually finished sterilizing and I'm hoping I didn't fuck up my presto.


Anyways how much water are you guys putting in for 2 to 2 and 1/2 hour cycle. so it doesn't dry up on you?


And when doing so are you having to raise the trivet even higher or is it okay that some of the bottoms of the jars become submerged?


And I'm also afraid the same thing happened to six jars I did the night before. Because I had my wife turn it off for me in case I fell asleep which I did.

She doesn't remember if it was still going or not. the water level was very low. But not as low as it was on the second round.


By still steaming do you mean the weight was rocking?

It would probably be good for you to give this a read.

I run 3 quarts of water and a splash of white vinegar as I have hard well water where I live.
The jars are about half submerged in water, I have almost no water loss as I taped 2 quarters on top of my weight to keep it from making that terrible rocking noise for the entire 2 hours I PC for.

The only time I've raised my trivet is if I'm running small 1/4 pint jars.

The only way you can hurt these is to run them fully dry (it warps the bottom) or obviously over pressurize it and blow it up :laugh2:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Axman]
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Getting ready to PC (2) 5lb bags of wood chips and saw dust. How long should I run it for?


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Edited by Bigworm (02/22/25 06:55 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Bigworm] * 1
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Normal 2 hours 18 psi....
Probably overkill by worth the peace of mind

How long soaked?

Edited by LewDoja (02/22/25 07:27 PM)

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