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Stro's Cleaning and Isolating (and transfers) On Agar (edit with the outdated incorrect "sectors" part removed) * 7
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Note from Nektar: This is a placeholder tek to link from some popular "everything" teks here. This one will work until SmellyHobbit and I finish the fresh new current one we're working on. 

This is the best tutorial on the topic on this site, but there was one very wrong part in the middle (about finding "sectors" and "monocultures") which is not needed and a lot of new growers have wasted countless hours on it. More in first comment here). I tried to get a hold of Stro, but hasn't logged in here since 2018. So I posted his tek here and edited out the wrong parts.

Note from  BeefSupremeJr: "To my readers:  Please forgive me if you were one of these people who was working with the original version of Stro's writeup (that I linked) and obsessing over working towards a monoculture.

"Ill be honest here, I was, and wasn't aware that this information wasn't accurate when I published The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Shroomery.  My sincere apologies.  Thank you Nektar for clearing this up and for putting in the extra work to revise our knowledge base.  Bless you."
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Nektar note: I replace his recommendation of an alcohol lamp with a butane brazing torch. Amazon has them. It gets the scalpel red hot much quicker than an alcohol lamp. And don't use any flame inside an SAB where you've had alcohol. Flame scalpel outside the SAB, then move it into the SAB. Use your head, I am not responsible for fires.

If you have a plate you're not sure of, post a clear pic on  the Agar Envy thread and ask.
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Stropharis said:
Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar




I recommend putting all your spores and clones on agar first, by doing so, you can ensure that you are working with a clean culture before you introduce it to grains, and it will also take out the guess work of spore viability.

So once you have a culture growing on agar, you will now want to make sure that it is clean and free of contaminates. How do you get there? Well for starters you need a few things, pictured below is the majority of them.



You will need a Still Air Box to do this, if you do not have one, it is a very easy build using Stro's Still Air Box. Ideally though, given that you have sufficient time and/or money, I recommend building a laminar flow hood. However, their will still be circumstances that make a still air box the more suitable choice. If you are going to build one, Stro’sFlowhood Build may be of use to you, building it was a very rewarding process. If you do decide to use it as a reference, please share your progress with me.

Some other items needed include paper towels, isopropyl alcohol, lighter, alcohol lamp or similar, gloves, scalpel, new dishes, and parafilm or cling wrap, and your cultures of course.

To demonstrate how I clean up my cultures when they need it, I will be using a few clone cultures that I took using different levels of care so they would have different levels of contamination for the purpose of this write up. A, B, and C. 

A


B


C



I don't think I have to tell you what clone was taken carelessly, the photos speak for themselves.

When taking A, I swung my un sterilized scalpel like a battle axe dismembering the pin and watched it fall onto the substrate below, then I stabbed it while doing my best Braveheart scream and preceded to gently place it on the plate. I figured this was a fairly un-climactic ending so I shook the dish and watched the nasty little pin roll around contaminating the entire medium surface.

You would ideally want to do a transfer from a dish as soon as you see growth to avoid spreading any contaminants during the transfers. The less there is growing on your dish before the transfer the better.

So now we need to clean these up right? In order to do that, we will be transferring contaminant free, healthy mycelium growth to a fresh plate. Lets use A for an example, on a culture this nasty you might want to look at it and decide where you will be taking your transfer from before you are working inside you SAB, you will be working with a limited view.

Taking another look at A; there are limited options. Using a clock position, as people often use discussing where to transfer, the best option I see here is at about 4:30 but even this area is pretty close to bacteria which I have circled in red. Care must be taken to avoid those areas so we can do this in one transfer. In addition, it is a good idea to get a good look from the back as well, sometimes bacteria can be underneath the mycelium and then you would be transferring contaminant laden mycelium. The green area is that actual wedge that I transferred from this plate to a new one.



In B you can see that there is only a small culture of bacteria that is by coincident also at the 4:30 and that all other area are suitable for transfer.


And C, does it even need a transfer? No it doesn't, you can see it is already clean culture and was ready for grains as is.


So lets cover the transfer now;

First the working surface is wiped down with lysol and an air sanitizer sprayed into the air, and all necessary equipment wiped down with isopropyl alcohol and placed in an appropriate location relative to your work area. The bag of fresh plates was brought inside my SAB, opened, removed plates, closed, then removed from SAB. I don't normally do this but I did it to provide for more room and to facilitate this write up.

Here you can see I am just about ready to go.


All the wrap is removed from the dishes and they are set up. The dishes closest to me are ready for transfer and the ones furthest are "on deck".

Sterilize your scalpel over your alcohol flame (outside your SAB of course) and the bring it inside. Open your new dish and cool the blade on the outer perimeter of your agar. If you look, you will notice these marks on a lot of the dishes you see photos of. Here it is highlighted in blue. The mark from cooling the scalpel.


I will let the photos do most of the talking for the transfer.





A few things to note here is that my new dish is on my left side, I do this because I do not want to be reaching over it for any reason. I am right handed and will be using my right hand to do the transfers; if you were left-handed you would want to reverse this. I also do my best to have the clock position that I want easily accessible so I am not spending any more time than necessary with top off. When I transfer it to the new dish, I do my best to only reach over the agar with the scalpel and to not have my hand over the dish at any point. Normally I would complete all transfers before I wrap and mark my dishes but for the purpose of this write up, I then wrapped the new dish.




I honestly don't need to isolate C any further, it is going to produce and perform well and in fact there is a possibly that isolating it further can be counter productive. I actually only took one transfer from this culture as previously discussed as I currently can't facilitate very many projects at the moment.

Moving on....you can see the fan like colonies spreading themselves out and growing at different rates and with different characteristics, sometimes separated with less dense areas refereed to as "lines of isolation".



At a closer look though, there are more than that. For an example I will use only the 11:00 to 2:00 on the same image only cropped and inverted so I don't sit here all night drawing lines.



Another point I would like to make while I am in the process here. Some things outside genetics can have an effect on the characteristic of your culture, whether it be rhizomorphic (strandy) and tomentose (cottony).  Things like the nutritional value of your growth medium and temperature. These plates were transferred to a different batch of agar although the measurements and method of preparation were kept the same; using Sto's Agar Prep

500ml distilled water (1/2 liter)
10g Agar-Agar
10g Malt Extract


The most important thing here is we now have three clone cultures that are clean and nearly ready for grains.

Updated with a few photos, to keep things simple I will reorganize.

Original clone cultures



Seven days after first transfer from clone culture


Eleven days after first transfer from clone culture


As you can see the cultures are looking healthy, so C is a better place to transfer from

As a learning tool, I will go over one or two things here. When I first posted the photo that were taken seven days after transfer someone was asking me a few questions and I said;


What made me come to the conclusion that C was better to transfer from? Again it was primarily the outer parameter of the culture, although it was young and tomentose, take a look at the 12 o'Clock and you will see a very small section with different behavior than the rest of the uniform culture.



Now just four days later, after it has matured quite a bit and has also developed rhizomorphic hyphea, you can see the contrast in uniformity between the part at 12 o'Clock, it has fanned out and distinguished itself even greater. I was happy to see C look so clean and that part on A distinguish itself so much after saying that.



- Stro
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2025 Note from Nektar: In addition to the above, I'd recommend people look at this great thread from Tmethyl on how shroom growing should and shouldn't look, at every step, including agar plates. That way, you can better recognize contam so you can take your transfers from another part of the plate. There are many plates there from many people, so it covers a wider range of possibles.

Since teks here improve a lot over time, I recommend in general that people don't use teks older than 5 years. But that thread is an exception.

Edited by nektar61 (05/09/25 04:06 PM)

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61]
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The original is here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18430998/fpart/1/vc/1

That's a great tutorial, the best there is and a lot of people still link it (including me).

but the stuff about "monocultures" and finding "sectors" is out of date and wrong. I've talked to a bunch of new growers lately who wasted a LOT of time trying to find "sectors", when really they should just be looking for healthy clean mycelium to transfer.

Someone here did an experiment with 80 transfers, it kept sectioning, there's no way you could find an individual genetic part without a microscope.

Anyone reading this revision let me know if anything doesn't make sense.

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61]
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Bravo! The bit about further transfers potentially being problematic is the only remnant I saw, and other than potentially creating a question of why that would be, I don't see it causing a problem, so its probably not a huge deal anyway.



Thanks for doing this, Nektar. You're saving newcomers a headache here for sure. 🤙


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Shine down upon the severed
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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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ThurmanMurman said:
Bravo! The bit about further transfers potentially being problematic is the only remnant I saw, and other than potentially creating a question of why that would be, I don't see it causing a problem, so its probably not a huge deal anyway.



Thanks for doing this, Nektar. You're saving newcomers a headache here for sure. 🤙



Removed. Thanks!

I am sending my mention of it in my "SPORES TO TRIPS" tutorial to this page now, and it sounds like BeefSupremeJr is going to do the same soon.

Once he does that I'll post about it on a couple threads to try to get others to send people to the fixed one instead.

It will help noobs first of all, but second of all, I get sick of correcting it but I can't NOT correct it. I can only imagine how much time someone could waste on "sectors" when they should be just growing good shrooms. 

You can actually select individual spore connections and grow them out, but it requires a microscope, good microscope technique, dilution, and an incredibly steady hand. And there aren't really strong reasons to do it.

But when there is a mention here of "dikaryons" that's how you'd isolate one. I think there is one or two long-running cube crosses (two cubes crossed) varieties that may have been done like that, but over a decade ago, now people just rub spores together, then do selection, and sometimes back crossing and selection.

Much easier and probably more likely to result in a good variety.  I could be wrong on that, it's something old here I read in passing when I first got on here and was trying to take it ALL in.

I wouldn't run very far down that rabbit hole.

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61] * 1
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nektar61 said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Bravo! The bit about further transfers potentially being problematic is the only remnant I saw, and other than potentially creating a question of why that would be, I don't see it causing a problem, so its probably not a huge deal anyway.



Thanks for doing this, Nektar. You're saving newcomers a headache here for sure. 🤙



Removed. Thanks!

I am sending my mention of it in my "SPORES TO TRIPS" tutorial to this page now, and it sounds like BeefSupremeJr is going to do the same soon.

Once he does that I'll post about it on a couple threads to try to get others to send people to the fixed one instead.

It will help noobs first of all, but second of all, I get sick of correcting it but I can't NOT correct it. I can only imagine how much time someone could waste on "sectors" when they should be just growing good shrooms. 

You can actually select individual spore connections and grow them out, but it requires a microscope, good microscope technique, dilution, and an incredibly steady hand. And there aren't really strong reasons to do it.

But when there is a mention here of "dikaryons" that's how you'd isolate one. I think there is one or two long-running cube crosses (two cubes crossed) varieties that may have been done like that, but over a decade ago, now people just rub spores together, then do selection, and sometimes back crossing and selection.

Much easier and probably more likely to result in a good variety.  I could be wrong on that, it's something old here I read in passing when I first got on here and was trying to take it ALL in.

I wouldn't run very far down that rabbit hole.



Oh its absolutely a ton of work to operate with the belief that sectors matter. Ask me how I know that. 🤣🤣

And for someone who NEEDS to understand, its confusing af to read or engage in the conversation with the idea that the sectoring matters. That was one of the most frustrating things I've run into with this. As soon as I understood none of it mattered, it all made sense.

And I feel you on the correcting it - I have to do it too bc I know what they're about to be dealing with if I dont. Im glad to see these changes- thanks for taking the time to do it.


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Shine on forever, shine on benevolent son
Shine down upon the severed
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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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Didn't realize this was in your journal , I think that's fine and all but I'd rather see you simply write your own Tek rather then stroll into historic teks and call posters out who put their work in and are no longer around to even have a convo about it.
Just my humble opinion , I think as long as the hobby moves forward we shouldn't feel the need to go shit on those whose shoulders we stood on to get here and find it a bit distasteful


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Didn't realize this was in your journal , I think that's fine and all but I'd rather see you simply write your own Tek rather then stroll into historic teks and call posters out who put their work in and are no longer around to even have a convo about it.
Just my humble opinion , I think as long as the hobby moves forward we shouldn't feel the need to go shit on those whose shoulders we stood on to get here and find it a bit distasteful



I would like to do that but don't have time to do it now, working 70 to 80 hours a week, plus some other stress I don't want to go into here. I'm also not growing any agar at the moment.

His old version was linked on my "GROWING SHROOMS, FROM SPORES TO TRIPS" article, and linked in the more popular one by BeefSupremeJr, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery." 

A bunch of new growers have read Beef's and chased down the dead end of wasting time on "sectors." One has posted on this thread. I've seen a half-dozen new growers wasting untold hours on that in the past few months, and taken time to explained to them, put a lot of effort into it, they've put a lot of time in it. I ask them where they heard that, and it's Stro's. Either through my thing or Beef's.

I've linked this version instead and Beef is planing to do the same.

I wrote Stro a while back, asking if he could change it, he didn't reply and hasn't logged in since 2018, so I doubt that will happen.

I'd rather have this up until someone (or me) writes a better one and link that instead. I'd delete this if that happens.

But I don't think I'm "shitting" on history here, I'm pointing out something that the majority of good growers don't do anymore, and is a crazy-making time suck for new growers.

Every page on this site says the whole site is covered Creative Commons license. That gives anyone the moral and legal write to reprint and expand on anything here, as long as the person is credited.

I hope you'd soften your opinion on this, it kind of feels like a slap coming from you, and I'm trying to save people wasted time.

If you have time to write a tek, with photos, and it's as good as this, I'll link that instead and delete this. I just can't do it right now.

Peace,
Kat

Edited by nektar61 (01/24/25 12:52 AM)

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61] * 3
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It's not a slap and not intended to be either I'm just blunt when I speak and am very bias and I spent a lot of of time with stro during his years here and yes many growers these days don't focus on perfect growth but ya wanna know something....most of us including stro didn't focus on it back then either and it's one of the point made in that thread when stro says

" I guess my point is, that it isn't important to split hairs when sectoring, as long as you are isolated away from contaminates"

He never sat there and taught people that taking 14 transfers and having 25 different cultures to test of the same variety was the way to grow , stro was always about the basics and often encouraged people to do as minimal work as possible just to show they could end up with the same results as those testing 50 clones.
Sorry if it came off as a shot it isn't , I just know they guy and it's been a trend of people walking into threads of those who are no longer with us and shitting down there work when in reality it's just as easy to do what they did ...and what they did was rewrite work that was already established with their own tweaks without putting down the work of those they learned from.
Much luv I enjoy your work and convos and if we have to banter about semantics it doesn't bother me as long as we both or all come out of it as better growers smad furthermore better teachers :cheers:


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr] * 1
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The thing is yes it's linked in beefs it's also linked in bods ...I've brought it up before that alot of what bod has linked is labeled as old info but when you click on the post that's the whole reason we have the warning labeled in the first place , it's not our job or our place to go and fix their threads , if we want to make that difference we need to step up and put our own work in.


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It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
I'm tired do me a favor

I'M A MEMBER FIRST, TC WHEN NEEDED AND MOD WHEN I HAVE TO BE !!!

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr]
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Thank you for the clarification, I was feeling slapped by that, like I REALLY fucked up, (even though I'm sure I didn't). I like you and respect you. If I didn't, it wouldn't have bothered me so much.

I credited and praised his work here, linked his old version, and I don't think I made it look like he fucked up. I think I made it clear it is a conclusion that everyone has come to, not to do that. If I didn't let me know, and I'll rewrite it more clearly.

If he were still on here I assume he probably would have removed that.

Didn't some TC do an experiment where he went up to T80 and STILL got "sector" divisions? Who was that?

If someone did that with something I wrote on here 7 years after I stopped checking in, I'd be honored. Not saying everyone would, but it's better to be mentioned and corrected than just forgotten.

By the way, did he pass away?

I'm writing to Smelly right now to see if he can write something. He's always growing, and has a lot of energy (not old and burnt out like me.)

I don't even have any plates growing right now, I dumped them in a blender the other day, trying to do SSLI. haha.

If someone writes up a new one with pics, I'm willing to proof it, and edit if wanted. I'm good at that, it's basically my day job, taking reports by other people and combining them into a report, plus proofing and editing.

I know Stro's version basically says "don't worry much about sectiors" but a lot of people ignore that, think they need to anyway. Thurman is one, and posted on this thread above.

I actually mentioned that part to a new grower the other day after telling him he didn't need to do that. 4 days ago I corrected someone on it. I also asked where he leaned that, he said Stro via Beef.

When you search "sectoring" on advanced search here, there are 53 PAGES of results in the past 5 years.

I'm babbling now out of tiredness and nervousness.

--Nektar not Sector

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61] * 1
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And Thurman learned this year that learning from active growers is far easier than reading 11 year old thread and skipping the important parts 😆 that's why we love Thurman.
I admire what you're doing and I hope you keep at it  and I'll support you every step of the way , even if I gotta take the fucking pics myself:wink:
We'll do it together A to Z ...every 5 years if we need to.
People have often asked why I don't write teks , the simple answer is I'm too busy standing on shoulders and following them :heart:


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr]
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I'll link this and Beef said he would, I'll try to get a better one written, or write it myself (like I said though, it REALLY isn't a good time). Once there's a better one I'll link it, ask beef to link it, and deleted this thread then.

Thurman is a good learner and a good guy. And after I taught him that monoculture / sectoring is bunk, here's him correcting another guy on it. Pay It Forward

I'm going to leave this up for now until there's something better. I think that's better than leaving the old link and ending up with 5 or 10 more new people wasting a shitload of time.

How's that for compromise?

I was exhausted even before we started this conversation, if I sound curt. 

I  think we typed more words about this tonight together than it would take to just write the tek.

Nek

Edited by nektar61 (01/24/25 01:11 AM)

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr]
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C: If you have the pics we'd need for a tek I could probably write it.

I'm not growing currently, and I don't think my plates look as good as Stro's. But I certainty know how to do transfers and could describe it clearly.

If you want to give me pix that replace each of his steps (or just of THE steps), I'll write it and run it by you before I post.

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61] * 1
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We will get or make whatever pics are needed :wink:
From agar to grain to lc to bulk to pasturizing to spawning to pf Tek , you seem very passionate about it and it's admirable, if something comes up that I can't provide....I've been here long enough to know 50 people who can , if getting a 2025 version of cult is something ya wanna do let's do it.
Yes leaving this here is perfectly fine with me , just do me a favor and don't take offense when I delete the comments from stro's write up and we can let that thread ride off into the sunset when the time comes


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr] * 1
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as far as i know sectoring isn't even well understood to begin with let alone trying to determine why a culture sectored on a petri in the first place


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: catnip40] * 1
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It's never been well understood but was always a simple concept , sometimes strains play nice sometimes they don't , if you took a clone from  b + and placed it on a plate with say a clone from Jack Frost 99 percent of the time where they meet will simply form a wall where they meet , where as if you took those same clones and put them to eachother there would be no wall and you get a uniform plate no matter what you do ( short of environment like burning an edge or changing food temps ect)


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It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
I'm tired do me a favor

I'M A MEMBER FIRST, TC WHEN NEEDED AND MOD WHEN I HAVE TO BE !!!

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr]
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i dont know of the paper right now but i was reading something that seemed like it was suggesting that a culture could just be unstable or become unstable and a totally uniform monoculture could throw a sector for whatever reason and it might not have anything to do with it not being not totally isolated

it would be hard to determine that by just looking at a plate tho lol

Edited by catnip40 (01/24/25 03:01 AM)

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: catnip40]
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Completely possible with just environmental factors let alone genetics , we gotta remember this is all very new mycology in general, I expect it won't slow down over the next ten years while we catch up with technology as long as we keep interest .
Fun experiments...burn a section of a clone , heat the corner of a plate or put oyster mushroom or reishi metabolites on a section , these are fun to observe


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: cronicr] * 1
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Bod saying "I wouldn't even worry about sectors."
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24681493#24681493

And here Bod says "Monoculture: what you get when you manage to mate only two spores together. One strain."
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27108452#27108452
(like how I said above you'd need a microscope to find one).

The way he uses "strain" is correct. The way many people (including a lot of vendors) use it to mean "variety" is wrong.

When you put spores to agar you get millions of strains. If you select for a pheno over time that's a variety. PE and B+ and Golden Teacher are varieties, not strains. Varieties are not monocultures. Clones aren't even monocultures, but they're closer than multispore is.

I can't find it but I remember Bod also saying that it's better to have a few cultures (or maybe it was sectors) in a grow than to try to get it down to one. More genetic diversity makes it more robust.

This hobby sure does change over time. There was a time here when a lot of people suggested putting coffee grounds in your grow. That just increases chance of contam by lowering the pH.

Edited by nektar61 (01/24/25 04:03 AM)

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar (with out-of-date "sectors" part removed, revision still under construction) [Re: nektar61]
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nektar61 said:
Bod saying "I wouldn't even worry about sectors."
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24681493#24681493

And here Bod says "Monoculture : what you get when you manage to mate only two spores together. One strain."
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27108452#27108452
(like how I said above you'd need a microscope to find one).

The way he uses "strain" is correct. The way many people (including a lot of vendors) use it to mean "variety" is wrong.

When you put spores to agar you get millions of strains. If you select for a pheno over time that's a variety. PE and B+ and Golden Teacher are varieties, not strains. Varieties are not monocultures. Clones aren't even monocultures, but they're closer than multispore is.

I can't find it but I remember Bod also saying that it's better to have a few cultures (or maybe it was sectors) in a grow than to try to get it down to one. More genetic diversity makes it more robust.

This hobby sure does change over time. There was a time here when a lot of people suggested putting coffee grounds in your grow. That just increases chance of contam by lowering the pH.



Like I said...we have always tried to teach simplicity:wink: bod included
Yes genetic diversity is very important when culture hunting , it's far easier to get what you're after from a ms culture than it is from a T12 through 21 set of plates...it's simple cultivation 101


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