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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: djbluntmagic] * 2
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I really like Rye. But I want to do wild birdseed next. I’ve heard good things.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Professor Chaos]
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Professor Chaos said:
LewDoja said:
Professor Chaos said:
Trying both. I was given a couple max yield bins from a friend then got myself 3 shoeboxes to add to them.

So far 2 shoeboxes and 1 tub have lost the war against contam.

Just sucks to lose them after 45ish days.


If it takes that long, that's probably a sign as well. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong


I was told apes are sow going but I'm a noob so idk lol


Not that long with no noticeable signs of knotting... unless it's super cold like <63°f.



Ahh sorry, I meant 45 days from inoculation of spawn. Only been in tubs/boxes for 13 days.

Unless that's still considered too long over all and I'm just being tarded



Ahhh.  13 days from spawn2box youre good..

Did the jar  take a month to fully colonize?

And did it recover promptly after shaking at 100%? If so probably just underhydrated and you're okay (hopefully)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
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Yeah about a month to fully colonize. Recovered fast, day 2 after shaking it was back to growing strong.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Professor Chaos]
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djbluntmagic said:
Been growing (B+ cubes) since 2020 on oats in jars. Recently my oats supply attracted a mouse so we ended up having to chuck it all. This gives me an opportunity to start afresh with a new spawn approach. From conversations at festivals with other growers, it seems a lot are using bags and popcorn (or rye berries) and having great success.

Stickies are generally outdated, can anyone recommend a tried, trusted, and up-to-date popcorn/bag tek or at least a popcorn tek and a bag tek? Thanks as always for your patience and recommendation.




bags as in spawn bags?  why not rye, wheat, oats, or milo?
stickies?  seems like you might be getting a lot of contradicting information.  id like to invite you to read the hitchhikers guide linked in my signature.  see what questions you have after reading that.  if you still want to go with whoever told you that at a festival, maybe we can at least point you in the right direction if you insist on using popcorn but personally, that would be one of my last resort choices as a spawn grain.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Huskies said:
Running out of my 50lbs millet bag. What y'all using for grain nowadays?


Wheat...it's $12 a bag here.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
djbluntmagic said:
Been growing (B+ cubes) since 2020 on oats in jars. Recently my oats supply attracted a mouse so we ended up having to chuck it all. This gives me an opportunity to start afresh with a new spawn approach. From conversations at festivals with other growers, it seems a lot are using bags and popcorn (or rye berries) and having great success.

Stickies are generally outdated, can anyone recommend a tried, trusted, and up-to-date popcorn/bag tek or at least a popcorn tek and a bag tek? Thanks as always for your patience and recommendation.




bags as in spawn bags?  why not rye, wheat, oats, or milo?
stickies?  seems like you might be getting a lot of contradicting information.  id like to invite you to read the hitchhikers guide linked in my signature.  see what questions you have after reading that.  if you still want to go with whoever told you that at a festival, maybe we can at least point you in the right direction if you insist on using popcorn but personally, that would be one of my last resort choices as a spawn grain.

Thanks for the reply! Yes bags as in spawn bags.

I did read that, lead to a wheat tek and a bunch of info with which I'm already familiar. I know the fundamentals and had a dozen or so very productive grows in monotubs, I've just only ever used oats.

Nothing against any of those other grains you mentioned except I've heard a lot of people put down oats and I had decent results but had problems with bacteria. In fact I did mention rye along with corn, and I don't insist on anything. These are just the things I've heard people mention in person whom I know to have had good results, so that's just more tangible to me. Also I find people often ignore much or part of what I've written in forum posts so I'd prefer to work with something I can discuss with someone IRL. Of course I'm open to general recommendations but as evident from just this page of this thread there is much disagreement about the way to go. So I'd just like to pick one and move forward with a guide oriented that way.

So to that end, I'm just looking for up-to-date and updated TEKS for whatever grain people like (hearing a lot of rye and millet recently), for using spawn bags and how they differ from jars, and an up-to-date post summarizing the benefits and drawbacks of each in one place. Thanks again!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: djbluntmagic] * 1
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gotcha.  ahem okay.  well! i guess i would agree that oats can be problematic.  Not that its prone to bacteria or anything but...

yeah its all about what you can source.  to me, really high quality rye would be ideal but its expensive.  i like wheat for a lot of reasons and im the one that wrote the wheat tek as well.  theres a lot of other teks out there for prepping similar grass grains. 

ive never done wbs but i know a lot of people whove done great with it if thats what you can get. 

wheat works for a lot of us because you can get it at feed stores for cheap in bulk.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:yeah its all about what you can source.  to me, really high quality rye would be ideal but its expensive.  i like wheat for a lot of reasons and im the one that wrote the wheat tek as well.  theres a lot of other teks out there for prepping similar grass grains. 

ive never done wbs but i know a lot of people whove done great with it if thats what you can get. 

wheat works for a lot of us because you can get it at feed stores for cheap in bulk.


OK, that's helpful! Are there any resources listing generally reputable suppliers of different grains? Of course I'd prefer to buy local but I don't mind shipping.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: djbluntmagic]
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He means like very local. Where is the nearest feed store from where you live?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: djbluntmagic]
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Grain is too bulky and heavy to ship with any cost effectiveness.  Just look for local feed/grain suppliers and then choose from what they have available.  The best prices/quality generally come from dedicated livestock feed/agricultural supply stores with their own grain storage silo's onsite - TSC is consdered to be bottom of the barrel quality and has high prices IME.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PBJ710]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
He means like very local. Where is the nearest feed store from where you live?


I do understand. I believe there may have been a seller at a nearby farmers' market who had rye berries but  other than that I live in a city so it looks like I'll have to go a little ways out. Could I do like a pet store? If so should I avoid big chains?

PBJ710 said:
Grain is too bulky and heavy to ship with any cost effectiveness.  Just look for local feed/grain suppliers and then choose from what they have available.  The best prices/quality generally come from dedicated livestock feed/agricultural supply stores with their own grain storage silo's onsite - TSC is consdered to be bottom of the barrel quality and has high prices IME.


I paid what I considered a perfectly reasonable amount to have oats shipped but sure I can start local. Hadn't considered it might affect quality. I think I may have got those oats from TSC actually so that is good to know. This is advice I hadn't encountered before.

What about the spawn bag part? Is there a good post for starting with that?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: djbluntmagic] * 3
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Dude just go to petco, hardware, Walmart or a grocery store get a big bag of WBS (make sure to get one with no cracked corn). If you can find it Penningtons classic is great.

Check out hamloafs or fooman's tek to prep easy as hell


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tossed_salad said:
Dude just go to petco, hardware, Walmart or a grocery store get a big bag of WBS (make sure to get one with no cracked corn). If you can find it Penningtons classic is great.

Check out hamloafs or fooman's tek to prep easy as hell


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tossed_salad] * 3
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wild bird seed (wbs) is a good option if you cant find a feed store.  search for a feed store via google map first though.  co-op feed store.  livestock store.  even cities have them because people have horses and llamas and stuff. 

im not sure why you want to use bags.  sure, people do use them but honestly, jars are so easy.  theyre reusable.  lids are easy to manufacture. 

im sure someone can link you to a bag tek though if you really want to do that.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
wild bird seed (wbs) is a good option if you cant find a feed store.  search for a feed store via google map first though.  co-op feed store.  livestock store.  even cities have them because people have horses and llamas and stuff. 

im not sure why you want to use bags.  sure, people do use them but honestly, jars are so easy.  theyre reusable.  lids are easy to manufacture. 

im sure someone can link you to a bag tek though if you really want to do that.


I suppose storage in a small apartment is the benefit here but this isn't a super strong preference either, again just seems like the buzz lately. Could be a good idea only to change one variable at a time though.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: djbluntmagic] * 3
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Stick with jars until you can't keep up with spawn production then start worrying about bags, larger PCs/sterilizers and FFUs/LFHs.  Trying to cleanly inoculate bags in a SAB is a royal PITA.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PBJ710] * 2
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I’m tempted to just start serving drinks in the jars. Because they outnumber cups by a lot in my house.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PBJ710] * 1
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PBJ710 said:
Stick with jars until you can't keep up with spawn production then start worrying about bags, larger PCs/sterilizers and FFUs/LFHs.  Trying to cleanly inoculate bags in a SAB is a royal PITA.


Love me an incremental growth plan. Thank you

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
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LewDoja said:
Proposition 122 said:
Just finished PC-ing my grain jars. I'm not ready to knock them up yet. What is the shelf life of the grain jars and what are best stoorage conditions? TIA.


It's actually to your advantage, not to 'nocc them up, right away.

Knowing that it's properly sterilized and no filters failures.

Store just as everything else says.... "store in a cool, dry location".



Good idea, thanks. If jars are contaminated how soon would that show up?


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