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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 1
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Headies said:
You don’t really hold any positions,though. You’ve reduced politics to metaphysics, where your personally held, completely subjective beliefs (thoughts) are enough for you to derive a sense of self and identity. Politics are concrete, actionable movements affected upon the objective world. You aren’t  a murderer when you kill someone in your imagination, and neither are you are a lefty when you confine your support for left wing policy to beliefs that are not acted upon in some form and only exist within your mind.


You sure do pretend to know a whole lot about me for a new guy...

You're definitely getting ahead of yourself. It's easy to judge people you don't know and just started talking to.. those judgements are almost always incorrect.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Ice9 said:
This wasn't an attack at all.  I am certainly in the same boat, I doubt the majority of people in earth have similar risk tolerance and self destructive tendencies as myself. The difference is, I recognize how this affects my thoughts patterns, and do not let it bleed into a nihilistic political view.  That's all I meant by this.


For the record... you're totally right. Aaand you can still go fuck yourself. I don't know why, but it feels good to say that to you. Every time.


There is a certain type of person that cannot stand being shown they are wrong.  I am quite accustomed to dealing with those people's vitriol.


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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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C'mon man...ease up on the malarkey. 
:biden:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 2
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Bigbadwooof said:
mushboy said:
Leftist never have to convince me they are leftist either. They just are.


You're not a leftist. You're a centrist.. You're milquetoast.. TheEcstatic is the only leftist on this forum.. and maybe ballsauce.
And me! :grin:

It's ok though. I still love you Mushboy. I would vote for you, even... but only because the other options are so terrible!


I wouldn’t say that, there are quite a few anarchists and Marxists that post here, albeit not as regularly.

Headies said:
Bigbadwooof said:
I call myself a lefty, to distinguish myself from panty-waste milquetoast liberals.

And I have literally never voted for a Republican in my life lol


So what? You don’t vote at all? That doesn’t make you a “lefty”, a “righty”, or anything else. You agitate and propagandize like a right wing person, but your audience is small enough that I don’t believe it qualifies as political action. I would classify you as apolitical, having no actual conviction one way or the other.


Curious how talking shit on a drug forum can make you a right wing agitator, but to qualify as a leftist you must do direct action in real life. Or how your baseline for political action is voting.

Since we can’t ever really know who any of us are or what we do outside of this forum, it’s pointless to use that as a metric for political discussion. I only say this because my real life actions have been discussed before, and despite what I say about my volunteer work or history with political campaigns/movements, it never really changes the opinion of the person questioning me. One time a guy derailed this subforum for like a year because he said he went to Crimea and polled people about Russia.  I think most of us know we aren’t moving the needle with threads on the shroomery, so it’s probably best we just discuss ideas on their merits rather than pretend we’re in some political Miss America pageant.

That said, I do think the divide between leftist and liberal is a distinction worth making, and that the difference between leftist and liberal is far greater than that of liberal and conservative. Speaking for myself obviously, but the red vs blue pundit shit is not interesting, and tends to not be the bulk of discussion here. I’m much more interested in the decay of the prevailing world order, the emergence of a global multipolarity, and the resurrection of anticapitalism as a legitimate political force.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
That said, I do think the divide between leftist and liberal is a distinction worth making, and that the difference between leftist and liberal is far greater than that of liberal and conservative. Speaking for myself obviously, but the red vs blue pundit shit is not interesting, and tends to not be the bulk of discussion here. I’m much more interested in the decay of the prevailing world order, the emergence of a global multipolarity, and the resurrection of anticapitalism as a legitimate political force.


100,000% :toast:

You nailed it bro! All of the things!


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Curious how talking shit on a drug forum can make you a right wing agitator, but to qualify as a leftist you must do direct action in real life. Or how your baseline for political action is voting.


Wrong. I’ve always maintained the person I was addressing holds no beliefs coherent or actionable enough to characterize him as either left or right . The fact he doesn’t vote or do anything aside from promote Trump to a small group of people doesn’t amount to him being left or right. He’s apolitical.

As for the rest of your comment,  Tl;dr, respectfully

Edited by Headies (03/28/24 03:37 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Ice Nine] * 1
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Quote:
To consort with the crowd is harmful; there is no person who does not make some vice attractive to us, or stamp it upon us, or taint us unconsciously therewith. Certainly, the greater the mob with which we mingle, the greater the danger.

Seneca



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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Blue_Lux]
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Seneca addressed this point in his final work. To paraphrase, he said:
Nimium diu non legitur.

:studmuffin:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies]
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Rather than the moral hazard to which we have become accustomed, and so much hot air inflating so many bubbles, timocracy would only allow you power over so many people as you could feed.

Rather than the forever wars, fighting was a privilege afforded only to those who could equip themselves.

Rather than wasting millions on dirty popularity contests, while dutiful workers went without, social rank was determined by sortition and productivity. 

Quote:
Nimium diu non legitur.


Reading and media would be useful, assuming that we borrow from successful examples.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 1
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Headies said:
The Ecstatic said:
Curious how talking shit on a drug forum can make you a right wing agitator, but to qualify as a leftist you must do direct action in real life. Or how your baseline for political action is voting.


Wrong. I’ve always maintained the person I was addressing holds no beliefs coherent or actionable enough to characterize him as either left or right . The fact he doesn’t vote or do anything aside from promote Trump to a small group of people doesn’t amount to him being left or right. He’s apolitical.

As for the rest of your comment,  Tl;dr, respectfully


I don't promote Trump, and I'm not apolitical for refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils. I have voted, when I was inspired to vote.

I voted for Obama, because I wanted Medicare for all.. and I wanted a black president. I voted for Bernie.

You should read the rest of The_Ecstatic's post. It is worth the read.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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In the words of the venerable Seneca: I shall not.

:studmuffin:

Quote:
durian_2008 said:]
Reading and media would be useful, assuming that we borrow from successful examples.


You get your info from random yokels on twitter

Edited by Headies (03/28/24 04:18 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 2
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Headies said:
The Ecstatic said:
Curious how talking shit on a drug forum can make you a right wing agitator, but to qualify as a leftist you must do direct action in real life. Or how your baseline for political action is voting.


Wrong. I’ve always maintained the person I was addressing holds no beliefs coherent or actionable enough to characterize him as either left or right . The fact he doesn’t vote or do anything aside from promote Trump to a small group of people doesn’t amount to him being left or right. He’s apolitical.

As for the rest of your comment,  Tl;dr, respectfully


Stick around, you'll fit right in.
:lolsy:

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Headies said:
The Ecstatic said:
Curious how talking shit on a drug forum can make you a right wing agitator, but to qualify as a leftist you must do direct action in real life. Or how your baseline for political action is voting.


Wrong. I’ve always maintained the person I was addressing holds no beliefs coherent or actionable enough to characterize him as either left or right . The fact he doesn’t vote or do anything aside from promote Trump to a small group of people doesn’t amount to him being left or right. He’s apolitical.

As for the rest of your comment,  Tl;dr, respectfully


Stick around, you'll fit right in.
:lolsy:


I was gonna say... this place really has gone to hell..

But then.. it was always this way.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Why would I go on reading ecstatic’s post after he mischaracterized what I said in his first paragraph? I’ll leave you boys to your edifying discussions. Don’t want to detract from the edifying discussions going on amongst you delicate geniuses.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies]
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I'm a stable genius... tyvm.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 1
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Headies said:
Why would I go on reading ecstatic’s post after he mischaracterized what I said in his first paragraph? I’ll leave you boys to your edifying discussions. Don’t want to detract from the edifying discussions going on amongst you delicate geniuses.





Taking your ball and going home?
That's the opposite of sticking around!

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Headies said:
Why would I go on reading ecstatic’s post after he mischaracterized what I said in his first paragraph? I’ll leave you boys to your edifying discussions. Don’t want to detract from the edifying discussions going on amongst you delicate geniuses.





Taking your ball and going home?
That's the opposite of sticking around!



He won't even read the wise-one's post... BOOOOO


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 3
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Headies said:
The Ecstatic said:
Curious how talking shit on a drug forum can make you a right wing agitator, but to qualify as a leftist you must do direct action in real life. Or how your baseline for political action is voting.


Wrong. I’ve always maintained the person I was addressing holds no beliefs coherent or actionable enough to characterize him as either left or right . The fact he doesn’t vote or do anything aside from promote Trump to a small group of people doesn’t amount to him being left or right. He’s apolitical.

As for the rest of your comment,  Tl;dr, respectfully


If you read the rest of my comment you’d see that your definition of apolitical is attributable to basically everyone here, as none of us really know what anyone does outside of posting on this forum. To the extent I’ve seen bbw promote Trump it’s only to draw parallels between he and the Democrats, but maybe he does in a different subforum idk. I’m only basing my opinion on the years of posts he’s made here.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Headies] * 2
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Headies said:
You get your info from random yokels on twitter


I don't have a Twitter.

I have mostly abandoned Facebook, when they started asking for two factor authentication, over my crowded wi-fi.

I have walked to every high and low spot in the adjacent mountainsides and seen what are supposed to be urban legends from settler times. I learned to drive stick on a tractor, barefoot, and, if you just leave me alone, I can feed myself.

I am the random yokel.

You are getting info from me.


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WEF defector.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/shit-burgers-meat-made-from-human-feces-just-another-natela
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upload_(TV_series)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: durian_2008]
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I prefer to get my info from local yokels

One of the urban legends around these parts is tunnels full of whatnot. I've been there several times and never saw any whatnot, just water. I think I saw a fish in there one time


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