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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Wow, MJ was pissed the hell off. That's just caught up in the moment shit I hope, wishing kids would die in an accident is just wrong.


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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: McKennaFan200]
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I send him a message suggesting that he apologise last night, and he read it but didn't reply.

Perhaps if some members that he knows better than me would urge him to apologise and recant he might.

I respect his opinion about the mushrooms growing in Alaska, maybe he's right maybe he's wrong, it's just the thing about the deathwish for little children that disgusts me.


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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Lightningfractal]
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of course mj doesnt want any children to be death.

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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Lightningfractal]
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Why would you wish someones children would die? :confused: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :mad: :mad: :mad2: :mad2:



I'm sure this was said in a moment of very justified anger over the fact that someone is stealing and profiting what is rightfully his and he can do nothing about it unless he wants to drop many thousands of dollars fighting it.  :mad:

MJ, I understand where you're coming from, but I would try to keep statements like this to a minimum, things like this can hurt in court if this ever gets that far.

The most horrible part about this is that if hippie3 has enough money for a lawyer, he'll probably get one when he gets letters from your lawyer.  Then the lawyers will write each other a few letters and then hippie3's lawyer will encourage him to settle for a small amount.  Now both parties are out thousands in fees from lawyers who never wanted to go to court (extra work when you can encourage clients to settle.)  Hopefully, he won't have enough for a lawyer and he'll quit when he gets threatening letters from yours.

Edit:  Oh, and these guys are right about the disclaimer being pretty much worthless to him in court for several different reasons.

Edited by Tantalus (06/29/04 02:18 PM)

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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Tantalus]
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you have complete rights to take his ass.

anyone that wants to add negative comments about whats going on shouldnt post at all, you dont have to participate in every thread you see.


mj is simply asking for advice on a serious matter, people, if you cant take it seriously then go somewere else.

peace and love.

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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Lightningfractal]
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> Why would you wish someones children would die?

I wouldn't. The one time I told somebody I wished they would die, they had a heart attack that night and were dead the next morning. Not that what I said was causal, but it was a good wakeup call to not wish ill on others.

Regarding MJ's comments... we have all said stupid stuff in the heat of anger. Don't tell me that you are a saint and haven't said or thought something just as bad. Did he mean it literally? I doubt it. MJ was obviously upset, and that statement does go to show just how upset he was. In that sense, I see no harm. There is a lot of difference between wishing ill will and creating ill will towards another. Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words...

I don't see the value of posting MJs words from another site here... other than to stir up drama (I am starting to dislike that word). Without the posts that led up to his statements, I have no context to make a judgement.

> Perhaps if some members that he knows better than me would urge him to apologise and recant he might.

Of what use is a forced apology? I still don't understand why this has you so upset... people say stupid stuff all the time... most of us can tell the difference between something said in the heat of the moment and something said from the heart...


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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: adrug]
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:drama:

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: mjshroomer]
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Why worry about that shit when you are on a picking vacation?


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Our Gair, who art in Texas,
Paw Paw be thy Name....
My friends are thirsty


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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: mjshroomer]
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mj here is an idea. 

you seem to have a great understanding of mushrooms.  the information and photos you provide offer some people great help in understanding mycology.  in all of your mushroom trips and mescaline adventures did it not ever occur to you that maybe you shouldnt try to sell this information?  IMHO its a low move to try and earn money off of information, especially something that could help to change people for the better.  if your an expert, then teach.  teaching used to be something important in this world, now its just another way to make a buck. :nonono:

this is something that should not be commercialized, or end up in copyright courts.  this should be free.

~JSlice~


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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Seuss]
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This below quote is from the beginning of this thread.

Quote:
Recently I was banned from Mycotopia for a small flame of someone who posted misinformation and some lies. While that was true I personally asked for such a ban by making some rude, crude and cruel as well as obnoxious horrible personal words of distaste and distain for hippie3.


While it is true I said some words in anger, I immediately went to re-edit my comments to Hippie3 and at that exact moment he banned my right to edit my post to him.

He then brought it over here to the shroomery's shroom hunting forum in a post by GGreatOne234 on Wild Alaskan Cubes, as noted above in my response to Adrug asking why I was bringing Mycotopia drama to this site.

He has also not only banned me from the site, banned my ip number, whatever that is and then stopped all personal messages form anyone here at the shroomery. He banned my right to email, email to him.

Right now a friend from Oregon is sending him a post because he is a member..

I have repeatedly asked him to remove my images from the site.

While I have had a small history of blowing up sometimes and my judgement has been clouded in anger before and I have said some gross, horrible and stupid things, Most people realize that that is not my nature. On the other hand, I have never posted unquestionable posts regarding shrooms or their identification or on their history.

I have always tried to help most and a few times I have caught people posting bs. I still believe the post by SeVen in Mycotopia and brought here by GGreatOne234 was a lie.

Hippie said I flamed the kid by calling him a liar and delelted the complete response which is posted in the shroom hunting forum in GGreatOne234's post.

However, As Hippie3 deleted what I said to Seven, rather than delete a few lines; I did not, as one of the mods of the Shroom Hunting forum, delete a single word that Hippie3 posted of what I said to him. Including my words of bad taste regarding dying children, of which his are not children but older adults.

mj

Further comments below to another poster here.

mj

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Re: Hippie3's Ilegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: mjshroomer]
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who the hell is hippie3? and what does he have to do with this site.  guy sounds like an asshole maybe you should kick his ass :shocked:

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: angryjslice]
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Auto-Summary
The author addresses a quote from Angry Slice, expressing concern that selling information about magic mushrooms, which can help improve people's lives, is a low move. The author emphasizes that their extensive knowledge on the subject should be freely accessible, as they have published numerous papers, books, and photographs related to magic mushrooms. The author also mentions that their site offers free access to this information, in contrast to other sites that sell similar content. The author further explains that their site is unique because it does not sell their photos or posts, and they are upset that another site, Hippie, is selling archived CD's containing their images without permission.

Hi Angry Slice,

In response to your quote below, I offer the following:

Quote:
in all of your mushroom trips and mescaline adventures did it not ever occur to you that maybe you shouldnt try to sell this information? IMHO its a low move to try and earn money off of information, especially something that could help to change people for the better. if your an expert, then teach. teaching used to be something important in this world, now its just another way to make a buck.

this is something that should not be commercialized, or end up in copyright courts. this should be free.


On my site are more than 2 dozen published papers by me, three of my published books and hundreds of news clippings on shrooms, and more than 2500 photographs of 55 of the more than 190 known magic mushrooms species with info on their descriptions and habitats.

Those are free to anyone who wants to look.

AS for free , so is my art gallery with 3000 images on it but they are copyrighted with no copying them allowed from the site (http://www.releasethereality.com/mjart.htm

This is protected by the site owner and when I return home, h has space fopr about 3000 more graphic imagse, making that the largest online display of graphic psychedelic art.

When I first learned of magic shrooms, no one knew about them except a small handful of Harvard students and graduates and a few people in the Pacific Northwest.

Many of us included in this group were Scott Chilton, Jonathan Ott, Paul Stamets, Richard Alan Miller, David Tatelman, Everett Kardell, Richard Hans Norland, Gary Menser, Michael Beug, Jeremy Bigwood, and several others.

WE all learned about these shrooms through food-hunter gathering techniques and mushroom conferences which cost us $150.00 per person and up to attend.

Nothing was free.

The people who came and lectured to us as well as us also lecturing were all paid for doing this because of our knowledge.

It cost us money to bring such noted authrities as Albert Hofmann, Andrew Weil, R. Gordon Wasson, Richard Evans Schultes, Dr. Steven Pollock, Gary Lincoff, Weston La Barre, Aldous Huxley, Laura Huxley, Bo Holmestead, Bruce Eisner, Peter Stafford, Dennis and Terence McKenna, Peter Gorman, Timothy Leary, Richard Alpert (Baba Ram Dass), Ralph Metzner, tc., and many others.

We all paid them to teach us what they learned and what we wuld learn from them. On the other hand they all went to school all of their lives to learn what they taught us..

And nothing they taught was free, except for private conversations with them at these conferences where we all got to known, learn, love and respect each other for the knowledge we grew to love so much that we soon shared between us.

People go to school to get an education, to better their lives, to support a family, to buy a home, or a farm, where pople do not want others trespasing on what they earned during their lives.

I sell four cd,s on my web site. and two books. Magic Mushrooms of the PNW (originally $3.00 for almost 20 years, now 15.00 with color) and Mmagic Mushrooms of the Hawaiian Islands.

I make money off of t-shirts I have hand painted in Thailand. I have dozens of them at home but i only offer a few at a time here at this site or a few others. I do not push my t-shirts or hand painted silk shroom batiks of which I have many in stock on others. I have suitcases of them inmy closets.. I only sell a few when i feel like it.

I also get paid to lecture every now and then. In fact, for each of the five papers I am currently writing at the University here in bangkok, I get ten thoudand baht formthe Thai Governments school funding, however I get only $12.50 an hour here for a lecture.

At the Hua Hin conference I got $four hundred dollars.

So while nothing is really free, This site is and so is the mushroomjohn's shroom world, which has the largest free collection of magic shroom photos in the world.

What is unique is that the shroomery is not selling my photos or posts to keep their site open. They make their money honestly from the sponsors whose endorsements and sales help keep the shroomery here for us all.

My complaint with hippie is I want my images removed from his site since he is selling archived cd's of his site and my pictures are not his right to sell on those cd's.

Have a shroomy day.

I have actually been spending more money per day while here on computers than I am for rent, food, motorcycle and gas, and in two days I have one person from England arriving for five days at five hundred dolllars/

I will have to give him a free trip here because the one day of rain ion 14 has produced no shrooms. In two days is the full moon party and he will join me after.

Then on the 8th of July, Milo, who discovered the Pink Buffalo strain will join my tour for the fourth time. We will be here five days and then three in Bangkok and then 6 in Angkor Wat. Then he eaves and I go tot he University for a eek and thenone more month on Samuui.

Yesterday was the first day I got to swim since my motorcycle burn has settled down to a small scab.

by

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: mjshroomer]
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mj,
you posted the stuff yourself,
uploading it to the site.
i'm not going to waste my time
going after you
to remove the over 600 posts you made
just to give you satisfaction.
you want to waste your time and money coming after me,
all i can say is to have fun
because in the end
you'll get zero.


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Mycotopia

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Hippie3]
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If his images are copywrited and you choose not to remove them against his will, it is breaking the law regardless of your laziness as a forum administrator to waste a few lines of code deleting all database entries from his account.

I'm SURE if you asked for assistance from a shroomery admin they would gladly help you obtain the administrative knowledge to do such a cOMPLEX feat.

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Barbi]
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:lol: @ complex feature

yeah but that is right, especially if there is a cd rom sale, than he has a good reason to sue.

hippie3, selling cd rom with copyrighted material without permission is stealing, im sure mycotopia is better than that., dont fuck around with another mans work.

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: shriek]
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like i said,
he uploaded it, not me.
the cd has been available for years,
and he's never complained before
so he has already screwed himself on that score,
he should never have posted stuff
if he didn't want it to be seen.
and technically
the cd is a free gift
to everyone who donates at least
$15 to Mycotopia's General Expenses Fund,
which helps pay for the website.


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Admin @ mycotopia.net
Mycotopia

Edited by Hippie3 (06/30/04 09:23 AM)

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Hippie3]
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I will exaplain again, a bit slower
for you since you
seem to have issues
making paragraphs lately.

if the material is copywrighted,
and he didnt 'care' before, it was permission.
Now he cares, you have to remove it
or he can sue the fuck out of you, and probably
cost you a lot more then mycotopias server and hosting
fees are, etc

Does this make
anymore sense
to you?

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Barbi]
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ok,
i'll repeat again
slow so you can follow.
let him try.


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Admin @ mycotopia.net
Mycotopia

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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Hippie3]
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Hippie, both you and MJ are bringing this on yourselves. It doesn't matter who started it. It only matters who finishes it. Both of you have the ability to end this dispute before it gets ugly... uglier than it already is.

You, Hippie, can remove the pics.

MJ, you could suck it up and let it go.

Or, you BOTH could act like UPSTANDING MEMBERS OF THE OMC and discuss it in PM like grown men. Like it or not, you both are figureheads in this community. You set examples for others. And right now, you are BOTH setting a bad example.

You are BOTH acting like little girls on the playground who envy each other's clothing.

Girls... girls, you're both pretty.

Take it to PM... and start behaving like you do the OTHER 99.5% of the time. Like smart, grown men... who care about the OMC.

This isn't about who started it, it is about who is going to end it.

That is the person who will set the good example and start reparing the damage that's already been done.

Forget the law for a moment. You're BOTH making a mountain out of a mole hill.


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Re: Hippie3's Illegal sales of Copyrighted Materials [Re: Rose]
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:thumbup::cervantes

my suggestion?
:smoker: :stoned:

the reason for the argument is nothing to ruffle anyone's feathers over.. so what if whoever was lying about where some mushrooms may or may not grow?  no reason to be rash or for anyone to get upset

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