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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Tonearm]
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Exactly Tonearm, that is what I long to do and hopefully where my practice is taking me. I was going to add at the end of my last post that pondering this question was kind of beside the point, and we should just get on with it. But that comment might have also been beside the point. The only advice I have found helpful is not to think about stopping thinking, and not to cling to or reject any thoughts but just be aware of them.

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Tonearm] * 1
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Tonearm: It's not a blank mind, it's a pure mind. Freed from the delusions of ego and illusions. To be able to see things for what the truly are, and not what our superstitious mind thinks they are.

Love & Light,

Bop

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: thelox]
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I can only speak of one experience that I've had on mushrooms (hard to find here) and it definitely changed me from borderline Atheist to semi- spiritual Agnostic. Did it give me enlightment? I wouldn't say, but it most certainly expanded my awareness and "broke" me out of the matrix for a few days.

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: thelox]
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soakked said:
I can only speak of one experience that I've had on mushrooms (hard to find here) and it definitely changed me from borderline Atheist to semi- spiritual Agnostic. Did it give me enlightment? I wouldn't say, but it most certainly expanded my awareness and "broke" me out of the matrix for a few days.



Maybe we should define enlightment first.

I believe its not only understanding that we are literally all one, but truly integrating it and acting on it as the most fundamental truth. IE you treat others literally as if they are you, because they are.  Not sure if anyone has done this.. maybe Ramana Maharshi?

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Theall]
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I think defining enlightenment would be a good way to start yes because I would not know it if it smacked me in the face.  When I am on shrooms everything is beautiful and terrifying at the same time I don't think this is enlightenment.  I think you get a glimpse of the infinite universe from a perspective we humans can only see and it might be almost enlightenment.
  I also agree we must take these feelings mainly of love and joy and beauty from these experiences and try to live the fullest in our lives with theses powerful experiences in mind. Probably not so much the terrifying part though haha, but then again that is part of life too. It is just so hard to describe what is shown behind that curtain no one else sees, and society dismisses you as a stoner if you speak of it,  I absolutely hate this bunch of lambs. Its like we know this awesome secret and no one wants to hear it, but if they did there jaw would drop I have never used shrooms as a party drug, I don't even like taking them in a way but I have to for some reason weird.


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Boppity604] * 1
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Lol.  “Samasaric existence” is all that matters, and all that is “real.”  Without it, we are just unified all-consciousness in the void, which is same as saying we are nothing, and experience nothing.  That is quite boring, so as God, we like to create worlds to play games in.  Sometimes we do it for challenge, sometimes we do it to experience love, achievement, friendship, ect., and sometimes we do it to fuck, do drugs and have a good time.  All the base and higher pleasures of Maya that you eastern mystic types shit on are actually the only thing God has of any interest or value.  Once you obtain your unattached “enlightenment,” what then?  You will dissolve into Nirvana, sitting around in a lotus position, not giving a shit about anything forever?  Lol.  Of course not.  After a while you will want to love, hate, achieve, suffer, make friends, destroy enemies, achieve power, and have sex.  Then you will enter “Maya” again.  It’s amazing to me that the Eastern types think this place is some sort of accident.  It’s not an accident at all.  The creator wants to create, differentiate, and experience, not just sit around all the time feeling “at One.”

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Theall]
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Why do you need to act on it as the “fundamental truth?”  We are all One.  But we differentiated to NOT be One.  Love some, hate others.  Have competitors and enemies, and try to destroy them.  Enjoy the game.  That’s is what we are here for.  We are here to play games, which requires differentiation and limitation.  We can go back to Oneness at any time.  We are here to experience the opposite of that because sometimes the pain of differentiation is better than the boredom of “Oneness.”  Stop taking yourselves so seriously.

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Beluga]
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It seems to me that boredom could be well described as contradiction, and unity, being without contradiction.

Unity, or its process, also could be described as expansion or extension. Therefore, warning against unity is that against extension of knowledge, sense, power, beauty, bliss, lest one be bored.

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: syncro]
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understanding illusion is an important thing


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Quote:
illusion and imagination
AI

Illusion and imagination are two concepts that are closely related but have distinct meanings.

Illusion refers to a perception or interpretation of something that deviates from reality or is deceptive in nature. It involves a misinterpretation or distortion of sensory information, leading to a false perception or understanding of the world around us. Illusions can occur in various forms, such as optical illusions, where our visual system misinterprets the incoming stimuli, or cognitive illusions, where our thinking processes and beliefs lead us to false conclusions. Illusions can be created intentionally, such as in magic tricks or stage performances, or they can be unintentional and a result of how our brains process information.

Imagination, on the other hand, refers to the ability to create mental images, ideas, or concepts that are not present in our immediate sensory experience. It involves the capacity to form new ideas, visualize scenarios, and generate possibilities that go beyond what is directly perceived. Imagination allows us to think creatively, solve problems, and envision alternative realities. It plays a vital role in artistic expression, storytelling, innovation, and daydreaming. Imagination can be influenced by our experiences, emotions, and cognitive processes, and it often involves combining existing knowledge and elements in novel and imaginative ways.

While illusions involve perceiving something inaccurately or differently from reality, imagination involves creating something new and distinct from the present reality. Illusions can sometimes trigger or stimulate the imagination, as they challenge our understanding and perception of the world, leading us to explore alternative possibilities or explanations.

In summary, illusions are deceptive perceptions or interpretations that deviate from reality, while imagination is the creative ability to generate new ideas and mental images beyond the confines of the immediate sensory experience. Both concepts contribute to our understanding of perception, cognition, and our capacity for creative thinking.



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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: thelox] * 1
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Psychedelics are psychological amplifiers, so it's going to be a unique experience for every person, because each person's mind is unique. So the amplification of that mind is also unique. For some people, it would be unpleasant, no doubt. It depends on the mind, and the contents of the mind. Set and setting.

I dislike terms like enlightenment. It's mainly used as a strange sort of marketing by self proclaimed gurus and people with massive egos who in reality are not only no better than you or I, but actively worse, being conmen and all. The term and word itself is utterly useless, and actively bad.

If you want something to strive for, instead of striving for enlightenment, how about striving for becoming a better person and improving your life?

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
If you want something to strive for, instead of striving for enlightenment, how about striving for becoming a better person and improving your life?



Also by doing this, you can improve the lives of those around you too, through positive unselfish actions.

I am with you on this. Be a better person today than you were yesterday. It is not a one and done deal either, it is something that needs to be worked on consistently over a life time. Just like being physically fit and healthy, you need to form positive habits and use some critical thinking skills to reassess were you are at on the journey.

Edited by Kiwi89 (05/16/23 09:54 PM)

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Kiwi89] * 2
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I would not completely discount enlightenment.
Finding the way is different for each and all of us.

Mushrooms can certainly help
anything can be of use if a person is oriented towards enlightenment.

flush toilets are also enlightening, but it is not the same.


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Hi,
Sort of on this topic regarding what people have said about having a pure/blank mind.
Has anyone here been able to do yoga (specifically yin) during a trip?
I find that can give me a blank mind sober but I just think it'd be tough mid trip not to get distracted?
Might try it on Saturday. Having a mushroom day with friends. I'll pretend I'm an instructor lol


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: ellamush]
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i tend to do rotary movements with my hips and all kinds of stretching with my limbs on mushrooms

i think mushrooms bring about insights but not necessarily enlightenment, what is that even...


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: epilectric]
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Can one even improve themselves?

Who's the one improving and who's the one that needs improved?

Do you take your improved self and apply it to your old self? At what point does improvement occur?

I agree with RGV on enlightenment :awesomenod:


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54. The true nature of things is to be known personally , through the eyes of clear illumination and not through a sage : what the moon exactly is , is to be known with one's own eyes ; can another make him know it?

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: connectedcosmos]
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connectedcosmos said:
Can one even improve themselves?

Who's the one improving and who's the one that needs improved?

Do you take your improved self and apply it to your old self? At what point does improvement occur?

I agree with RGV on enlightenment :awesomenod:



Yes, you can improve yourself. In that, you can choose a course of action that may lead to a better "self" in the future, instead of a course of action that does not (however you define "better"). The only way I see to disagree would be to deny that we have any agency to choose a course of action. the "who" really just confuses things.

And as for enlightenment, I think it's weird to say whether drugs can or can not help get you there, in the same way that I think its weird to say that anything, say exercise, could help you get there. It might? I mean yoga seems like a good thing. it might not though? Is it statistically likely to help? we don't have any good data to work with, so... maybe? If you're looking for advice, I don't think there are many (any??) people qualified to give an answer, especially not random internet people.

To put it another way, I don't think drugs are some magical special thing in the universe. Drugs are just as much a part of our physical existence as yoga, meditation, and prayer. And while their immediate effects may be temporary... so are yoga, meditation, and prayer. In fact, everything changes over a long enough time interval.


(also, why are we all okay with this 20yr thread, that was already zombified 10yrs ago? poor thing! it's lived a good life!)


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: ellamush]
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connectedcosmos said:
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I agree with RGV on enlightenment :awesomenod:



yes, flush toilets have raised the bar in the civilized world a great deal.

@ellamush
when I am really stoned (weed or lysergamide or salvia mostly) every position is yoga.


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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I don't think shrooms bring enlightenment. If you want to be enlightened then study Buddhism. Meditate. The only time I have been 'enlightened' by a drug, it was a particularly strong LSD trip, and I went through an ego loss experience. I was able to step outside myself and examine dispassionately who I was, and make decisions to change.

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Re: DO you think shrooms bring about enlightenment? [Re: Calendral]
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Calendral said:
I don't think shrooms bring enlightenment. If you want to be enlightened then study Buddhism. Meditate. The only time I have been 'enlightened' by a drug, it was a particularly strong LSD trip, and I went through an ego loss experience. I was able to step outside myself and examine dispassionately who I was, and make decisions to change.



very nice, but I don't exactly see what ego loss has to do with it.
change, yes, delusion yes, good hearted-ness yes


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