wolf8312 said:

ballsalsa said:

Fal isn't rock dumb so that eliminates option A.
I do sometimes wonder if I'm talking to the same anti-war, anti-regime change person I thought I knew years ago, though. Turns out regime change is just fine by him as long as Russia does it, I guess.

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History did not begin with the Russian invasion. Hitlers Germany invaded or overthrew one sovereign nation after another before finally it bumped up against a great power(s) ready and willing to say enough and fight back.

The US/west over the last two decades invaded and overthrew one sovereign nation after another (otherwise known as the war on terror) until finally they ran up against another great power who likewise said enough.

This was always bound to happen and was indeed always the aim as, like Mein Kampf, the Project for a New American Century was a blueprint for world domination conceived by the very same people who were all coincidentally moving in US circles of power when all or most of what was 'spit balled' in that document (including the 'major catalyzing event' and deadly pathogens to be used as 'useful political tools') coincidentally occurred!

All great powers like Russia and China are evil, and to say I support them would be as ludicrous as some douche on Twitter saying he 'stands with Ukraine'!

The problem is that your side -wittingly or unwittingly globalist/neocon- wants to reduce history and politics to a script from Lord Of the Rings without making any attempt whatsoever to actually understand what has happened from an alternative perspective while disingenuously trying to pretend that the US' own wars of aggression and behavior throughout the last twenty years are completely irrelevant! 

But if you were to honest, lets face it, you would never have made moderator on the Shroomery political forum.

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undersativaskies said:

"Hey russia can you please let Ukraine help with the food shortage and let some of its grain out of Odessa?" Said the World

"Sure we can do that. That's no problem" said russia

russia then proceeds to bomb grain shipment and port.

I think that shows enough about the russian agenda right there

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undersativaskies said:

Chapstick, wolverine, and stable genius, I would love to hear your opinion on the recent events I just brought up

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Kryptos said:

Anybody calling this anything other than a war of aggression is either stupid or lying. Because a non-aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is an oxymoron.

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Ah, so you DO believe the US should be able to coup whoever we like without resistance.

There's another name for you, Kwyjibo. 

koods said:

People are being jailed in Russia for calling it a war of aggression

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Stable Genius said:

undersativaskies said:

"Hey russia can you please let Ukraine help with the food shortage and let some of its grain out of Odessa?" Said the World

"Sure we can do that. That's no problem" said russia

russia then proceeds to bomb grain shipment and port.

I think that shows enough about the russian agenda right there

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Do you have a link? I just checked ABC Aus, Sky Aus, Aljazeera, RT and CNN. I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing I could find was some stupid shit story on CNN about Russia bombing wheat fields.

The last I heard Erdogan had help broker a deal between Ukraine and Russia to get grain exports moving.

Did a ship hit a mine that Ukraine laid? That's one of the main reasons ships can't safely enter or leave those grain facilities.

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Fiery said:

HONEST QUESTION HERE PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS





***WHAT***** The hell is Putin getting out of this war? WHAT IS HE GAINING?


I'm honestly baffled please tell me

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- Security from NATO being on his border
- No more threats to his only warm water port on the Black Sea which Ukraine promised Russia could lease through 2042
- Russian-Ukrainians finally living in relative peace in Donbas

...just to name a few. 

chopstick said:

koods said:

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No, it can't, that's the whole point. Anybody calling this anything other than a war of aggression is either stupid or lying. Because a non-aggressive invasion of a sovereign nation is an oxymoron.

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People are being jailed in Russia for calling it a war of aggression

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People are getting 15 years for having pro-Russian viewpoints in the Czech Republic. Germany is prosecuting some independent journalist merely because she interviewed people in Donbass. But I'm sure you're just fine with that

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Kryptos said:

I find that when someone's argument devolves down to implications about someone's manhood, their argument is stupid

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undersativaskies said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62276392

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Quote:

But a spokesperson for the Ukrainian military's southern command said the strike did not have a serious impact of the port.

"No significant damage was caused to the port infrastructure," Nataliia Humeniuk said. "These are quite expensive rockets, so they are being used not too often. They are said to be highly accurate..."

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undersativaskies said:

russia has already denied that they did it.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

ballsalsa said:

Fal isn't rock dumb so that eliminates option A.
I do sometimes wonder if I'm talking to the same anti-war, anti-regime change person I thought I knew years ago, though. Turns out regime change is just fine by him as long as Russia does it, I guess.

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No, it's not.  Fighting imperialism is what I'm ok with.

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Fighting imperialism with imperialism?

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

ballsalsa said:

You're the expert on stupid and simple so I'll defer to you on this one

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C'mon man.  Insults instead of logic? 

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