Stable Genius said:

I think he's worth looking at a bit closer

https://steemit.com/ukraine/@zak.totkoff/cia-revolutions-d8efbf3777106

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Lynnch said:

Stable Genius said:

That's right I ASSUMED, that's why I said that, and yes I did some GUESSING. My apologies for being honest.

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Hey, all things aside, we'd probably have better discussions in here if we could admit when we're speculating and guessing.

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ballsalsa said:

I read that blog and even the sputnik articles that it cites.  Was there supposed to be something there to implicate the U.S.?

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No there wasn't, however, the point is that once again the U.S. government are backing the terrorist side.

I WONDER what inconvenient truths are known though? Not only by the U.S. but also the E.U & U.K. government as well? Like all these lazy shits do is talk to each other, it's not like they have to work to earn a dollar

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet

Kwyjibo said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Do you believe the US should be able to coup whomever we like without resistance?

If so, then YOU are a specific example.

If not, then what should be done instead of resistance?

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No, I don't. Do you have any examples you can name?

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Lynnch said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

People here like to play that game. 

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So you don't support the actions of the Russian military and are willing to denounce them?

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koods said:

You don’t think that one of the rationales for the invasion was as a show of force?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Kwyjibo said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Do you believe the US should be able to coup whomever we like without resistance?

If so, then YOU are a specific example.

If not, then what should be done instead of resistance?

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No, I don't. Do you have any examples you can name?

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Since you don't believe the US should be able to coup whomever we like without resistance, does that mean you are ok with resistance, or does that mean you have a better way to prevent coups?  If resistance is ok, does that make Russia the "aggressor"?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Kwyjibo said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Do you believe the US should be able to coup whomever we like without resistance?

If so, then YOU are a specific example.

If not, then what should be done instead of resistance?

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No, I don't. Do you have any examples you can name?

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Since you don't believe the US should be able to coup whomever we like without resistance, does that mean you are ok with resistance, or does that mean you have a better way to prevent coups?  If resistance is ok, does that make Russia the "aggressor"?

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How can Russia "resist" against something that hasn't been inflicted upon it?

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think Russia is finally saying enough overthrowing of foreign governments.

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By overthrowing a foreign government...

shivas.wisdom said:

"what's your justification? Or why this war happened exactly?"

There is an aggressive force, the Russian army. There are interests of big capital at stake, on both sides. Those who are suffering now, because of the delusions of some and the crafty economic calculations of others, are the peoples of Russia and Ukraine (and, perhaps soon, those of other geographies near and far away).

Different governments have sided with one faction or the other, and have done so on the basis of economic calculations. There is no appeal to humanity in them. For these governments and their ideologues, there are good and bad interventions-invasions-destructions. The good ones are those carried out by their supporters, and the bad ones are those perpetrated by their opponents. The applause for Putin's criminal argument to justify the military invasion of Ukraine will turn into a lament when, by the same words, the invasion of other peoples whose processes do not please big capital will be justified.

Big capital and its “Western” regimes sat back and watched - and even encouraged - the situation as it deteriorated. Then, once the invasion had begun, they waited to see if Ukraine would resist, calculating what they could get out of one result or the other. As Ukraine persisted, then they began to issue "aid" invoices to be charged later. Putin is not the only one surprised by the Ukrainian resistance.

Those who win in this war are the big weapon-manufacturing consortiums, and the big capitals that see this opportunity to conquer: to destroy-reconstruct territories, that is to say, to create new markets of commodities and consumers, of human lives. Remember that the USA and Russia are the #1 and #2 global suppliers of weapons.

No war but the class war.

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Good summary!  (or should I say good summary?)

In addition to the above points, we also know that the Donbas people have been begging Russia to help them in their struggle against the Ukrainian Far Right.  So Russia also has that going for them. 

undersativaskies said:

Has anyone noticed that the same people that are against the vaccine are the same ones that are siding with Russia? Hmmmmm

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ballsalsa said:

r3volution.gurl said:

How is Russia the only aggressive force in the scenario?

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Russia is the only party in this conflict to invade and occupy the territories of the other parties.  This isn't complex. 
Let me know if you need any other help understanding basic concepts.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

"what's your justification? Or why this war happened exactly?"

There is an aggressive force, the Russian army. There are interests of big capital at stake, on both sides. Those who are suffering now, because of the delusions of some and the crafty economic calculations of others, are the peoples of Russia and Ukraine (and, perhaps soon, those of other geographies near and far away).

Different governments have sided with one faction or the other, and have done so on the basis of economic calculations. There is no appeal to humanity in them. For these governments and their ideologues, there are good and bad interventions-invasions-destructions. The good ones are those carried out by their supporters, and the bad ones are those perpetrated by their opponents. The applause for Putin's criminal argument to justify the military invasion of Ukraine will turn into a lament when, by the same words, the invasion of other peoples whose processes do not please big capital will be justified.

Big capital and its “Western” regimes sat back and watched - and even encouraged - the situation as it deteriorated. Then, once the invasion had begun, they waited to see if Ukraine would resist, calculating what they could get out of one result or the other. As Ukraine persisted, then they began to issue "aid" invoices to be charged later. Putin is not the only one surprised by the Ukrainian resistance.

Those who win in this war are the big weapon-manufacturing consortiums, and the big capitals that see this opportunity to conquer: to destroy-reconstruct territories, that is to say, to create new markets of commodities and consumers, of human lives. Remember that the USA and Russia are the #1 and #2 global suppliers of weapons.

No war but the class war.

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Good summary!  (or should I say good summary?)

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Oh dear, how embarrassing.




Nice catch Falcon

ballsalsa said:

How can Russia "resist" against something that hasn't been inflicted upon it?

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ballsalsa said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think Russia is finally saying enough overthrowing of foreign governments.

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By overthrowing a foreign government...

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ballsalsa said:

What does that have to do with the Russian invasion?  Was there a coup in Russia that I missed?

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